Complacent Deac
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I like the idea of going to 3 straight final 4's.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Siff, your link took me to a link entitled "Why Tim Duncan Has Gotten Over His Divorce So Quickly" (or something like that)... it featured photos of Vanessa. So, thanks for that
Tulsa had won a lot of games in the years before, but Manning inherited a nearly blank roster. Getting 17-16 KP 178 out of that year 1 roster composition might have been poor. But it's also possible that it was masterful and Bill Self himself couldn't have done much better. In comparison, Bz was only able to get KP 270 with his mostly freshman team year 1 with much much more talented recruits.
We just don't know on Manning. He might suck or he might be awesome.
I mean, this is all well and good, but if you can't see the parallel, pre-emptive excuse machine in motion, then I don't know what to tell you. Manning inherited a five-man class (probably Tulsa's best class based on the 12 years of recruiting data that exists), recruited two guys on top of it, and went into the next two seasons with the guys that Wojcik recruited as his top-5 scorers, and 4/5 best rebounders... Your spin is legit spin and it's convincing, but it's spin.
Tulsa's two best returning players transferred right before Manning arrived. He had the fifth least experienced team in all of college basketball. According to the people who know something about CUSA (not me), Manning had basically nothing, as Tulsa was predicted to finish dead last in their preseason poll. Instead they went 8-8, finished fifth, and made the conference tourney semifinals. Then in year two he surprisingly won the conference title. How is that not a success story? It's clear overachievement in two straight years, ending with a conference title.
Again, fine and good (and I agree with a lot of what you posted), but it sounds a lot like the narratives we were forcefed about [name redacted]. That's all I'm saying.
Tulsa's two best returning players transferred right before Manning arrived. He had the fifth least experienced team in all of college basketball. According to the people who know something about CUSA (not me), Manning had basically nothing, as Tulsa was predicted to finish dead last in their preseason poll. Instead they went 8-8, finished fifth, and made the conference tourney semifinals. Then in year two he surprisingly won the conference title. How is that not a success story? It's clear overachievement in two straight years, ending with a conference title.
I never saw the slightest glimmer of potential for success at Wake from [Redacted]'s resume. Nothing. You couldn't even craft an argument, IMO, and I said as much repeatedly at the time. I couldn't see the two differently, and that was/is true from the jump.
I don't think we can discount he sat next to Self for years and watched how a basketball program should be run. He may not be a home run but I think he's going to be a good coach. He's off to a great start. But let's also remember that Self was at Tulsa and Manning may want to hang there and build up that program and position himself for the Kansas job one day. I think that is more likely than Manning coming to Wake. One of our only pluses is that he comes home. If I were Manning I'd probably stay at Tulsa.
This whole "people are rationalizing this just like [name redacted]!!!!!" argument is dumb.
For one thing, It is often made against people who never liked [Redacted].
Why is it dumb? Are people rationalizing yet another bad basketball hire? Without a doubt. Is that what happened when we hired Buzz? Without a doubt.
Just because someone claims they were Buzzout from the start (everyone seems to say this now) really has nothing to do with what's happening with this Manning business.
Just because you have decided this is going to turn out to be a bad hire doesn't mean the rest of us have. And let me tell you, the national media who were saying WTF when we hired [Redacted] think this is a reasonable hire for the most part. It might not work out, but it isn't close to the same.
Just because you have decided this is going to turn out to be a bad hire doesn't mean the rest of us have. And let me tell you, the national media who were saying WTF when we hired [Redacted] think this is a reasonable hire for the most part. It might not work out, but it isn't close to the same.
Decision expected tomorrow morning from Manning http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsext...cle_7b71f2ca-bba5-11e3-9e40-001a4bcf6878.html