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Pat Kelsey

DR your arguments are a massive reach. Surely you understand that right? Most great coaches get their start young. Thus saying that a coach was hired in his 30's is meaningless. Additionally Few's situation in Gonzaga is extremely unique. For years he was sheltered from big jobs because Gonzaga was just good enough, and just isolated enough that he knew he could win 25-30 every year and not bear any of the risk of going to a traditional power. They paid him well enough and it made sense for both.

Wake Forest is in a completely different scenario. Our coach is surrounded by a pack of wolves from the moment he steps into his office. I am not going to argue that we should never hire s young coach. That would be dumb. I am also not going to argue against Wes miller, that would be premature and I kind of like him as a young coach. But it is extremely foolish to argue that Wes miller is a verifiable better hire than Danny Manning. It's a bad argument. As a lawyer I have to believe you know that.


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Wrangor said:
DR your arguments are a massive reach. Surely you understand that right? Most great coaches get their start young. Thus saying that a coach was hired in his 30's is meaningless. Additionally Few's situation in Gonzaga is extremely unique. For years he was sheltered from big jobs because Gonzaga was just good enough, and just isolated enough that he knew he could win 25-30 every year and not bear any of the risk of going to a traditional power. They paid him well enough and it made sense for both.

Wake Forest is in a completely different scenario. Our coach is surrounded by a pack of wolves from the moment he steps into his office. I am not going to argue that we should never hire s young coach. That would be dumb. I am also not going to argue against Wes miller, that would be premature and I kind of like him as a young coach. But it is extremely foolish to argue that Wes miller is a verifiable better hire than Danny Manning. It's a bad argument. As a lawyer I have to believe you know that.


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He's the one who brought up Few not me. But if the shoe fits...

It is very clear we disagree. The future will determine the winners from the losers. Just as the past has done.
 
If he's successful in the future, that doesn't necessarily mean he was ready to make the jump to ACC ball before age 30
 
We've been waiting 50 plus...what's another 15 to 20
 
Well, Philadelphia University (formerly Philadelphia Textile) hired Herb Mage as a 25 year old. Over 1000 victories, a National Championship and a Hall of Fame induction later, he's still their coach. What makes his 1032 victories even more impressive is that his teams have never played more than 35 games and only played 34/35 games about three or four times.

I would have loved to a shooting contest between Herb, in his prime and Steph Curry. Herb was likely the first shooting guru. without a three point shot, he averaged 29+ppg in college.
 
Shake said:
We've been waiting 50 plus...what's another 15 to 20
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This is exactly what I am saying. We have failed time and time again over 5+ decades since the Hemric/Chappell days. We all must agree the same ole, same ole at Wake Forest does not work. Ron Wellman's decision are an absolute disaster with regard to our men's basketball team. Not over a short time frame--decades.

We must go a different direction. If and when Manning hits the skids, young biz guy like Mit Shah for AD. Miller or Kelsey or some other young gun at the healm and we start over with something entirely different stadium wise. The other stuff is a miss and decades of results have shown us why.
 
Why do you keep lumping Miller in with coaches that have better career accomplishments?
 
Liquid Karma said:
Why do you keep lumping Miller in with coaches that have better career accomplishments?
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Because he has similar resumes to the greats when hired. K, Bess, Dean, Knight. That's why.
 
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donaldross said:
Because he has similar resumes to the greats when hired. K, Bess, Dean, Knight. That's why.
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Wes Miller is not at all ilke Bob Knight. In his first six seasons at Army, Knight was 102-50 for a .671. Miller is 85-102 for .455 at UNC-G.
 
RJKarl said:
Wes Miller is not at all ilke Bob Knight. In his first six seasons at Army, Knight was 102-50 for a .671. Miller is 85-102 for .455 at UNC-G.
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He has a ways to go to be considered at the same level as Pat Kelsey.
 
donaldross said:
Because he has similar resumes to the greats when hired. K, Bess, Dean, Knight. That's why.
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Similar in coaching resume' like Kay Hagan was in political resume' as our US Senator?
 
People seem to assume Pat would automatically come back to Wake if given a decent offer. I don't know him, but he seemed to take Skip's death pretty hard as evidenced by getting out of coaching for a while. Maybe he wouldn't want to come back to the place where he witnessed the traumatic death of his mentor and friend?
 
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