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Julius Peppers' UNC Transcript Posted

Milk and Cookies said:
I think you're overreacting and at least a little paranoid if you think a course of study like African American Studies at a very large public university is designed specifically to "hide athletes". The makeup of the student body and the purpose of the academic institution at a place like UNC is very very different than a place like Wake. And you'll see a wider array of courses to study. You can be sure hundreds of students who are NOT athletes take AFAM courses.
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I am not basing this on personal opinion or the curriculum of the actual department (as I know very little about it) . I am basing this on the fact there was a national controversy about AFAM at UNC and Julius Peppers had a 2.5 in it while maintaining a 1.3 in all other classes.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Sociology is the closest comparison IMO.
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For instance, I took Sociology 151 with Tony Woods and Zach Allen. Professor Saylor basically gave them shit every day, like calling them out for being late or asking them questions when they fell asleep. He embarrassed Tony especially for sleeping.
 
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From a quick review here: http://admissions.unc.edu/Academics/Majors/default.html

An institution like UNC will obviously have more areas of study devoted to specific cultures/regions/peoples compared to a place like Wake.

Besides AFAM, they have:
Latin American Studies
Medieval Studies
Religious Studies
Slavic Languages and Literatures
Women's Studies

Just because AFAM may seem superfluous to some as a major course of study doesn't mean it was solely created to hide athletes. Large public literary arts universities devote more resources to these "cultural" areas of study.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
Right, so you went to multiple classes with some athletes and saw them turn things in. That's a long way from having omnipotence to know that cheating wasn't going on for any athletes at Wake. That's my only contention with your post. Very limited perspective on what could have been happening.

The important thing here, as most are pointing out, is the scale to what's being shown in Chapel Hill.
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No I went to multiple classes where the majority of the students were athletes. These classes had clearly been handpicked by academic advisors as favorable for athletes. When you spend a semester in a class of <25 students you get a sense of how much work other students are doing in that class. In my experience these classes were rigorous and the athletes were expected to participate on an equal level with the rest of the class.

The reason most of these classes were filled with athletes was that the professors seemed committed to helping the athletes reach the minimum standard for that class, not because the professors were willing to lower that standard for the athletes.

I never claimed that academic fraud has never happened at Wake Forest. My experience at Wake has led me to believe that any such cheating, if it existed, was isolated and not condoned by the athletic department.

Maybe your experience at Wake has led you to believe otherwise, but I doubt it.
 
On the other hand, there was Professor Jasper Memory who made almost weekly announcements to the criminology class I took in the spring of my senior year as to where Lanny Wadkins was playing golf that week. If not for those announcements, I may not have known that Wadkins was enrolled in the course, which I'm sure he passed. (Sorry Lanny.)
 
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Milk and Cookies said:
From a quick review here: http://admissions.unc.edu/Academics/Majors/default.html

An institution like UNC will obviously have more areas of study devoted to specific cultures/regions/peoples compared to a place like Wake.

Besides AFAM, they have:
Latin American Studies
Medieval Studies
Religious Studies
Slavic Languages and Literatures
Women's Studies

Just because AFAM may seem superfluous to some as a major course of study doesn't mean it was solely created to hide athletes. Large public literary arts universities devote more resources to these "cultural" areas of study.
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Dude, UNC itself said as much it was a place to hide athletes.

An internal investigation at UNC uncovered numerous academic improprieties in more than 50 courses in the AFAM department between 2006 and 2011. Some classes featured unauthorized grade changes, the investigation found, and in other instances classes provided little to no instruction.
Among the students enrolled in the classes were a high percentage of athletes, according to documents The News & Observer obtained through public records requests. In the 54 courses that the university found to be “aberrant and irregular,” 58 percent of the students were athletes.
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And there are professors who know that student-athletes sometimes come from less than rigorous academic backgrounds and are aware of the time demands that college sports come with. They do offer additional support be it organizing study groups or meeting after office hours, etc. They're not going to break the rules- they're doing what they are compelled to do which is teach. Any professor who gives an athlete an illegitimate break is doing a favor to neither himself, the athlete, nor the university.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...-academic-scandal-mark-emmert-ncaa-penn-state

Wow.
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From 2007-2011, an internal review at UNC revealed 54 no-show classes in the Department of African and Afro American Studies where student-athletes were given grades for fake classes. The university says two department heads were responsible for the academic fraud, but the News & Observer says evidence suggests athletes were steered to classes by academic counselors assigned to the athletic department.

Think about that: the athletic department and a department of academics conspiring to keep students eligible so they can play games. This isn’t high school, everyone. This is one of the most respected academic institutions in the world cheating to keep athletes eligible.

So while Mr. Big Stick thumped his chest about Penn State—before and after delivering the sanctions—we haven’t heard squat from him about what will become the worst infractions case in the history of college sports. And that was before the latest mind-numbing details released Monday by the News & Observer: the gross case of academic fraud could go back a decade—and include North Carolina’s legendary men’s basketball program.
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Yeah, AFAM seems legit and they didn't hide athletes there.
 
peppers basically took classes on "being black," and still got awful grades. maybe he's not black? i'm so confused.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
From a quick review here: http://admissions.unc.edu/Academics/Majors/default.html

An institution like UNC will obviously have more areas of study devoted to specific cultures/regions/peoples compared to a place like Wake.

Besides AFAM, they have:
Latin American Studies
Medieval Studies
Religious Studies
Slavic Languages and Literatures
Women's Studies

Just because AFAM may seem superfluous to some as a major course of study doesn't mean it was solely created to hide athletes. Large public literary arts universities devote more resources to these "cultural" areas of study.
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Oh good lord stop with this bullshit. There was controversy when they had AFAM in the first place behind accusations it was to help them get athletes through. There isn't a relationship between AFAM and Medieval Studies. The AFAM major has classes like "black experience".
 
Lanny always used to joke the closest he ever got the the library on campus was standing on the 12th tee at Old Town.
 
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