It's time to forgive and move on says Dan

[Colonel Angus]

He's coming back

Dirk, still waiting on where I need to send the rum and sleeping pills

--March 19, 2014 (11:24am)

I wager a bucket of townie's tears he's coming back.

--March 19, 2014 (11:30am)

You think Ron and buzz aren't talking? He's a fucking head coach not the burger dude at macDonalds

Jeff is coming back

--March 19, 2014 (11:32am)

Sports knowledge is irrelevant Patchouli Head. This is common sense. The intent was to fire BZ, but the $$$ isn't there for a new hire.

Bz takes a significant cut in pay and soldiers on.

--March 19, 2014 (11:47am)

I think he may be back, yes.

--March 19, 2014 (12:03pm)

He's coming back!!

--March 20, 2014 (2:26pm)

 

[DeacinBama]

lol

 

[ibleedgoldandblack]

The search feature giveth and the search feature taketh away...

 

[PhDeac]

I think that it is important to remember: Wellman was not alone at Wake in his support of Buzz. Those individuals and forces that supported Buzz are still there. They are, however, incompatible with Wake Forest as a top national university.

Well said.

 

[wfumike02]

Guess you knew after we started out the ACC schedule at 4-3 with wins over UNC and State that we were about to tank. BS.
I'm not supporting anything here, just found this remark to be too smug and condescending to leave it alone.

Well we tanked every other year Bz was the coach once February 1st rolled around. Why would this year be any different?

 

[jaybone]

For the record, I think he could have done this all a year ago after back to back 13 win seasons and still been able to make the same or similar hire. And we would have been the only ACC opening, so I am not denying pride being a part of this. I'm just saying, you have to have the back of your employees and they have to have complete faith in that until the time when you can choose to extend or fire them.

 

[Sportin' Woody]

Lets see. Dan takes the gloves off yesterday And is now going all kumbaya on us? I am all about moving on as a united fanbase but i dont regret for one second billboards and ads and stuff on here. In fact i can make an argument that at lease in part we got rid of buzz because of what was done by the buzzout movement. Yeah it got ugly but they treated us like little stupid kids getting head pats

 

[Chill22]

Bzz has vanished like a fart in the wind.

The farting may be over, but there's no escaping the fact that we're still in the Dutch oven and will be cooking in the stench for a couple more years before the lid comes off.

 

[PhillyDeac]

Not if we hire the right coach. Hiring the right coach can turn this around a lot faster

 

[deacvision7]

You're projecting again - on acting like an ass.

The best mantra here is a cliche. Forgive but don't forget. Here's why:

* Dude is trying to do his job

* He hired what seems now like a really really impressive hire just a handful of months ago for football. Yes, he probably waited a year too long but he seems to have knocked it out of the park

* Take the Bzd hire in context just for a minute. Brad Stevens is a basketball dweeb. He had a full time Nate Silver on staff. Ron met him 4 or 5 years ago and probably saw his Dad in Bzd. Bzd, it turns out, is just a dweeb who coaches basketball okay. Different than a basketball dweeb. He made a mistake hire but once made, you CANNOT fire the dude one or two years in because it puts you at a huge disadvantage in making the next hire. Because once you give a program a short leash it is hard to convince the next guy he is going to get a longer one. Dino was given a pretty short leash and look what happened with the hire. So Ron wasn't going to make that mistake again. Thus, the four years. Also, 4 years ago, Syracuse was not only NOT in the conference, they hadn't been invited. Neither had Pitt, neither had Louisville. The fact we were in the ACC had a bit less meaning in getting a coach because there were 4 conferences claiming to be the best in country.

* Now, the ACC has four future HOF coaches, the Big East is dead and really it is us and the Big Ten as the top two conferences with the Pac-12, the Big 11, and whatever they call the old Big East a rung below. Anybody even see Georgetown play this year? The ACC is locked in to who we are and makes our job more enticing than four years ago. Arguably just a bit more, but it is significant. Jay Wright might perhaps be legitimately interested in the Wake job - or maybe would have a year ago with a couple of down years under his belt. That is how much the landscape has changed in 4 years.

* For the last two years Ron has been between a rock and a hard place. Of his own making for sure. But he can't throw the coach under the bus for the reasons in the 3rd bullet above. Had no choice but to make the best of it. That's not being an ass. That's trying to salvage parts from a totaled car. In the meantime, the more immature of the fanbase went all apeshit on the hire from the get go and only got apeshittier as the losses mounted. Now, I am just as immature as the next dickehead 45 year old dude. I have really no room to talk. Ask my wife, my kid, my co-workers, my Mom, ask anybody. But there is a certain small mindedness to gloating over Ron's trying to salvage parts from his totaled car. It serves no value. Dude's our AD, will be thru this hire for sure, and we should either offer him a hand up or move out of the way and let him get up off the floor on his own. It serves us no purpose to demand our pound of flesh or some level of groveling and mia culpa from the dude as it won't help him make a superior hire.

* I saw the press conference as code wording to leverage for the hire. The base is re-established. If you don't like the idea of great students, solid citizens, good athletes mixed in with the two 5stars we hope you can bring in, then take the Central Florida or Auburn job.

What the fucking fuck did I just read?

 

[MichDeac25]

You're projecting again - on acting like an ass.

The best mantra here is a cliche. Forgive but don't forget. Here's why:

* Dude is trying to do his job

* He hired what seems now like a really really impressive hire just a handful of months ago for football. Yes, he probably waited a year too long but he seems to have knocked it out of the park

* Take the Bzd hire in context just for a minute. Brad Stevens is a basketball dweeb. He had a full time Nate Silver on staff. Ron met him 4 or 5 years ago and probably saw his Dad in Bzd. Bzd, it turns out, is just a dweeb who coaches basketball okay. Different than a basketball dweeb. He made a mistake hire but once made, you CANNOT fire the dude one or two years in because it puts you at a huge disadvantage in making the next hire. Because once you give a program a short leash it is hard to convince the next guy he is going to get a longer one. Dino was given a pretty short leash and look what happened with the hire. So Ron wasn't going to make that mistake again. Thus, the four years. Also, 4 years ago, Syracuse was not only NOT in the conference, they hadn't been invited. Neither had Pitt, neither had Louisville. The fact we were in the ACC had a bit less meaning in getting a coach because there were 4 conferences claiming to be the best in country.

* Now, the ACC has four future HOF coaches, the Big East is dead and really it is us and the Big Ten as the top two conferences with the Pac-12, the Big 11, and whatever they call the old Big East a rung below. Anybody even see Georgetown play this year? The ACC is locked in to who we are and makes our job more enticing than four years ago. Arguably just a bit more, but it is significant. Jay Wright might perhaps be legitimately interested in the Wake job - or maybe would have a year ago with a couple of down years under his belt. That is how much the landscape has changed in 4 years.

* For the last two years Ron has been between a rock and a hard place. Of his own making for sure. But he can't throw the coach under the bus for the reasons in the 3rd bullet above. Had no choice but to make the best of it. That's not being an ass. That's trying to salvage parts from a totaled car. In the meantime, the more immature of the fanbase went all apeshit on the hire from the get go and only got apeshittier as the losses mounted. Now, I am just as immature as the next dickehead 45 year old dude. I have really no room to talk. Ask my wife, my kid, my co-workers, my Mom, ask anybody. But there is a certain small mindedness to gloating over Ron's trying to salvage parts from his totaled car. It serves no value. Dude's our AD, will be thru this hire for sure, and we should either offer him a hand up or move out of the way and let him get up off the floor on his own. It serves us no purpose to demand our pound of flesh or some level of groveling and mia culpa from the dude as it won't help him make a superior hire.

* I saw the press conference as code wording to leverage for the hire. The base is re-established. If you don't like the idea of great students, solid citizens, good athletes mixed in with the two 5stars we hope you can bring in, then take the Central Florida or Auburn job.

This is one hell of a post and really sums it up. I would add that Wellman and the other powers-that-be were also probably hoping that we would see progress once we hit the ACC season. However, that Xavier game (the final OOC game) was bad. And then we hit ACC play and just weren't putting it together as much as we could have. Again, when was the last time Wellman commented on the basketball program before the press conference? He stood behind Bz - like a good AD should - until this year. Then he just let the chips fall where they may and made the decision. GT and BC were just unforgivable losses.

Buzz was the wrong hire. But Wellman is not the bumbling idiot conspiring with other blue hairs that people on this Board have made him out to be in the last few years.

 

[BeachBumDeac]

Lets see. Dan takes the gloves off yesterday And is now going all kumbaya on us? I am all about moving on as a united fanbase but i dont regret for one second billboards and ads and stuff on here. In fact i can make an argument that at lease in part we got rid of buzz because of what was done by the buzzout movement. Yeah it got ugly but they treated us like little stupid kids getting head pats

That's still happening:

E-mail from WFU president:

"Dear Wake Forest Community,

Yesterday, after the announcement that Jeff [Redacted] had resigned as Wake Forest’s head basketball coach, some members of our community took it upon themselves to roll the quad. Rolling the quad, as every Wake Forester knows, is a tradition celebrating competitive success.

Aaron Rountree III, a Wake Forest sophomore on the basketball team tweeted, “’Rolling The Quad’ should be reserved for glorifying the success of Wake Forest University, not for the disrespect of another human being.” I could not say it better.

Civility is a hallmark of our community and I am disappointed that yesterday’s misplaced passion did not accurately portray our values to the country. Dozens of people came out this afternoon to clean the quad and for that I am grateful.

Sincerely,

Nathan O. Hatch
President"

 

[guitardeac]

You're projecting again - on acting like an ass.

The best mantra here is a cliche. Forgive but don't forget. Here's why:

* Dude is trying to do his job

* He hired what seems now like a really really impressive hire just a handful of months ago for football. Yes, he probably waited a year too long but he seems to have knocked it out of the park

* Take the Bzd hire in context just for a minute. Brad Stevens is a basketball dweeb. He had a full time Nate Silver on staff. Ron met him 4 or 5 years ago and probably saw his Dad in Bzd. Bzd, it turns out, is just a dweeb who coaches basketball okay. Different than a basketball dweeb. He made a mistake hire but once made, you CANNOT fire the dude one or two years in because it puts you at a huge disadvantage in making the next hire. Because once you give a program a short leash it is hard to convince the next guy he is going to get a longer one. Dino was given a pretty short leash and look what happened with the hire. So Ron wasn't going to make that mistake again. Thus, the four years. Also, 4 years ago, Syracuse was not only NOT in the conference, they hadn't been invited. Neither had Pitt, neither had Louisville. The fact we were in the ACC had a bit less meaning in getting a coach because there were 4 conferences claiming to be the best in country.

* Now, the ACC has four future HOF coaches, the Big East is dead and really it is us and the Big Ten as the top two conferences with the Pac-12, the Big 11, and whatever they call the old Big East a rung below. Anybody even see Georgetown play this year? The ACC is locked in to who we are and makes our job more enticing than four years ago. Arguably just a bit more, but it is significant. Jay Wright might perhaps be legitimately interested in the Wake job - or maybe would have a year ago with a couple of down years under his belt. That is how much the landscape has changed in 4 years.

* For the last two years Ron has been between a rock and a hard place. Of his own making for sure. But he can't throw the coach under the bus for the reasons in the 3rd bullet above. Had no choice but to make the best of it. That's not being an ass. That's trying to salvage parts from a totaled car. In the meantime, the more immature of the fanbase went all apeshit on the hire from the get go and only got apeshittier as the losses mounted. Now, I am just as immature as the next dickehead 45 year old dude. I have really no room to talk. Ask my wife, my kid, my co-workers, my Mom, ask anybody. But there is a certain small mindedness to gloating over Ron's trying to salvage parts from his totaled car. It serves no value. Dude's our AD, will be thru this hire for sure, and we should either offer him a hand up or move out of the way and let him get up off the floor on his own. It serves us no purpose to demand our pound of flesh or some level of groveling and mia culpa from the dude as it won't help him make a superior hire.

* I saw the press conference as code wording to leverage for the hire. The base is re-established. If you don't like the idea of great students, solid citizens, good athletes mixed in with the two 5stars we hope you can bring in, then take the Central Florida or Auburn job.

Ok, I have seen this before and it's time to say this. You NEVER EVER hire ANYONE especially as a college basketball coach that has ANY concerns at all that he won't be able to get the job done very well. If there is a coach on your radar that would have to WORRY about a potential short leash - YOU DON'T WANT HIM. You think G Marshall would be worried about a potential short leash???? Not. ANY good coach ain't worried about a short leash. Not even thinking about it if he is worth a shit. Screw that theory that I have seen tossed around on these boards. If you're interviewing someone for a job and they ask you "Yeah but, what if I don't have much success I would be worried you might fire me?". Alrighty then there buddy, over there's the door. Have a nice day.

 

[Deac65]

I am willing to move forward and hope for the best(obviously the hire will help if he hits it out of the park). I just hope we can all come together again as one fan base. Maybe because I'm an old fart and have seen a lot of bad things happen in my life I'm more willing to let bygones be bygones. That doesn't mean that I'm not just as disappointed as everyone else is about the last four years. I don't think Dan is that far off base and it does no one any good to harbor resentments. A good hire, a couple of good seasons and hopefully this will become just an unpleasant memory.

 

[Duncan]

He's gone. Wellman is still there and isn't going anywhere. I'm letting it go because life is too short and we can now get better.

time to move on. Wish buzz the best moving foward.

 

[jaybone]

guitar--

It's a trust issue with your AD. Every coach wants to be in Coach K's shoes where they dictate when they leave. The proverbial open multi million dollar contract. Take Marshall for example. He's not stupid. Coaching in the ACC is different than in his conference. He could miss on a recruit or two, get an injury, lose a player to academic suspension and bingo bango, you go 15-15 or something. You don't want some dickhead AD suddenly in your suit over it. Look at UCLA. Elite coaches turned down that job, like Shaka. Ask yourself why.

That is my interpretation anyhow.

 

[DeacDude]

Hatch, Let me get this straight - you were too busy over the last 4 years to do anything while our dumpster fire of a revenue-producing #1 sport was smoldering but now you have time in your schedule to concern yourself with a few students having some fun with toilet paper? what a joke go back to sleep

That's still happening:

 

[thedeacfan]

...

* Take the Bzd hire in context just for a minute. Brad Stevens is a basketball dweeb. He had a full time Nate Silver on staff. Ron met him 4 or 5 years ago and probably saw his Dad in Bzd. Bzd, it turns out, is just a dweeb who coaches basketball okay. Different than a basketball dweeb. He made a mistake hire but once made, you CANNOT fire the dude one or two years in because it puts you at a huge disadvantage in making the next hire. Because once you give a program a short leash it is hard to convince the next guy he is going to get a longer one. Dino was given a pretty short leash and look what happened with the hire. So Ron wasn't going to make that mistake again. Thus, the four years. ...

Well the Virginia Tech AD just put that myth to rest...

 

[VaDeac]

Well the Virginia AD just put that myth to rest...

VT, not UVA, but holy shit that's a pretty big point to come out of today. BzIn massively crapped the bed on that three-year talking point.

 

[dartsndeacs]

VT, not UVA, but holy shit that's a pretty big point to come out of today. BzIn massively crapped the bed on that three-year talking point.

As one of the 2 remaining BzIn'ers on this board according to the last poll, I never used the three-year talking point, FWIW