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'Can't be with that sweet stuff'....yes folks, that just happened.

the overreaction to ELC's offensive statement sort of makes his point for him

Not really, when he labels the outrage over homophobia as "just as wrong". No, it isn't.

Really.

Culliver can say whatever he wants. People can cite the % of players who would still have a problem with a gay teammate, or the % of soldiers in the military who would have a problem with a gay fellow soldier - it is irrelevant. It's a civil rights issue. They can all have their opinions, and I'll support their right to have them all day, but it doesn't mean it's right.
 
Ehhhhhh, not sure. The viewpoint of 'I don't want that shit in here' may be minority...the viewpoint of 'I really don't care, just don't talk to me about it' would be more like majority, in my opinion. What he was spreading was hatred. I'm not sure the majority would spread hatred.

I don't think the AA community has too much different viewpoint as others, Whites for example. You found out one of your best friends was gay, would you have a negative reaction? I wouldn't.... but I wouldn't want all of my friends to be gay...not only for the reason I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking about Rim jobs, how am I going to cruise for chicks when I'm by myself because all my friends are at a gay bar.

Not sure if that answers your questions, but I just feel in general, football players, blacks, whites, basketball players, Lawyers, whoever in general has a similar feeling. Gay bashing and bigotry is inappropriate. If you are gay, fine, just don't stare at my ass all day and tell me how you fantasize about blowing me...

Yay. Typical left-wing response, i.e. - "I don't know WTF I'm talking about, but I'm going to assume my little feelings on the matter are truth." If you'd spent any time in locker rooms, or had any black friends, you'd KNOW your feelings are in stark contrast with reality. But sorry - I know how you people hate to your fantasy world interrupted with facts. :)
 
Suggs was asked about the comments and had this to say. This is what I would hope most players would say (and better than that believe) but I do still doubt this is the majority.

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After 49ers cornerback Chris Culliver stuck his foot in his mouth when asked what he’d think of having a gay teammate, some words of wisdom during this Super Bowl week came from Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs.

Asked if he would have a problem with a gay teammate, Suggs answered, “Absolutely not.” Suggs then added that the rest of the team would welcome a gay teammate as well.

“We wouldn’t have a problem with it,” Suggs said. “We don’t care. Our biggest thing in the locker room is to just have fun and stay loose. We don’t really care too much about that. We’re a football team. I said it yesterday; everybody deserves a certain amount of privacy. Who cares? Whatever a person’s choice is, it’s their choice.”

Suggs said the Ravens’ locker room is a welcoming environment.

“On this team, with so many different personalities, we just accept people for who they are and we don’t really care too much about a player’s sexuality,” Suggs said. “To each their own. You know who you are, and we accept you for it.”

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Per my earlier comment, I think Suggs' opinion is much more common that some on this thread would believe.
 
Yay. Typical left-wing response, i.e. - "I don't know WTF I'm talking about, but I'm going to assume my little feelings on the matter are truth." If you'd spent any time in locker rooms, or had any black friends, you'd KNOW your feelings are in stark contrast with reality. But sorry - I know how you people hate to your fantasy world interrupted with facts. :)

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hmmmmmm, not sure if you are serious or not.
 
the overreaction to ELC's offensive statement sort of makes his point for him

It does and it doesn't. I think the reactions my posts have brought on are more a symptom of political discourse right now than anything else. But political activists are obnoxious and on the warpath pretty much as a rule of thumb, regardless of the issue or cause they take up. Political activists in the case of gay issues tend to be gay activists, who don't tend to be your gay neighbors or friends. The activists are the ones that bark on about what some dude like Culliver says and force the social pressure to recant and repent. Increasingly, as we all become mouthpieces of social media, the individual role as activist is diminished and there is "collective outrage on social media" that has an effect, some of which we are seeing in this thread.
 
Per my earlier comment, I think Suggs' opinion is much more common that some on this thread would believe.

Suggs is most likely full of shit. I have never been in any locker room that didn't hav issues and was a "welcoming environment"

Every team has issues. Suggs gave the answer that the Ravens wanted him to give. He may actually personally feel that way but I don't believe his answer speaks for the whole team.
 
Suggs is most likely full of shit. I have never been in any locker room that didn't hav issues and was a "welcoming environment"

Every team has issues. Suggs gave the answer that the Ravens wanted him to give. He may actually personally feel that way but I don't believe his answer speaks for the whole team.

The Ravens have Brendon Ayanbadejo, who has been active for the gay rights cause and wanted to use media day as a chance to showcase it. But then, there is also this...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...261c9c8-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_blog.html

As you said, he doesn't speak for the whole team.
 
It does and it doesn't. I think the reactions my posts have brought on are more a symptom of political discourse right now than anything else. But political activists are obnoxious and on the warpath pretty much as a rule of thumb, regardless of the issue or cause they take up. Political activists in the case of gay issues tend to be gay activists, who don't tend to be your gay neighbors or friends. The activists are the ones that bark on about what some dude like Culliver says and force the social pressure to recant and repent. Increasingly, as we all become mouthpieces of social media, the individual role as activist is diminished and there is "collective outrage on social media" that has an effect, some of which we are seeing in this thread.

twist it anyway you want. It's ignorant no matter what you say, and anyone who doesn't get it is an idiot.
 
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this wasn't homophobic humor. this was/is bigotry. Anyone claiming what he said 'isn't a big deal' has no focus, no perspective and should be forced into some gay lovin by Lexington Steel...... at Giant Stadium, with 50,000 people watching.

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twist it anyway you want. It's ignorant no matter what you say, and anyone who doesn't get it is an idiot.

Yeah, you made your opinion clear in the first post when you called me a "fucking idiot." You indicate I'm the problem and fail to take a look in the mirror when you act like a cunt.
 
Yeah, you made your opinion clear in the first post when you called me a "fucking idiot." You indicate I'm the problem and fail to take a look in the mirror when you act like a cunt.

Shut the fuck up you little bitch. Because the guy talks about 'gays', it's not a big deal... replace his comments with 'Whites' and you would be the leader at your next klan rally instead of the guy who just sucks off the other closeted homosexuals at the meeting.
 
Shut the fuck up you little bitch. Because the guy talks about 'gays', it's not a big deal... replace his comments with 'Whites' and you would be the leader at your next klan rally instead of the guy who just sucks off the other closeted homosexuals at the meeting.

Replace his comment with dogs or girls or Mongolians for all I care. It's irrelevant. You're talking about a locker room, where people are naked with their "sex parts" in full view, and sexuality. That's why he was asked about gays and not blacks or whites or Mexicans or Jews or gypsies or Irish.

I don't know why it is hard or offensive to realize why some people, myself included, don't equate the plight of gays with the plights of other oppressed minorities. When you're black or Mexican, there is no hiding that. You are what you are. The kind of discrimination they endured, they endured from day one of their lives up until the day they died. Their parents and grandparents endured it simply by walking down the street, their offspring endured it, and it basically created entire economic subclasses for generations of people-- black, Mexican, Irish, American Indian, Italian, Chinese, etc... And to top it off, they were beat up and in many cases killed. And that's just in the US.

Contrast this to somebody who is gay. Now, in spite of your assertions, I have no idea what it's like to come to the realization that one is gay and the struggles that entails not only within society, but also within one's family. I think it's safe to say that it's not an enviable position to be in. And, yes, some have been beaten up, discriminated against, and even killed. However, that's a far cry in my estimation from systematic discrimination that others have endured and that still has consequences today. A gay man could still walk down the street anonymously. A gay man was not born into a world of shit as a result of longstanding, multi-generational discrimination against his parents and grandparents. It doesn't mean gays have or had it easy. Not at all. It just means I have a very difficult time not rolling my eyes when somebody says gay rights (which nowadays is pretty much just a euphemism for gay marriage) are the great civil rights struggle of our time. It's the great civil rights struggle of our time because we're looking for something to call that and the pickings are thankfully pretty slim, not because it actually is the great civil rights struggle of our time. It's as if the world was suddenly deprived of dogs and somebody picked up a cat and called it a dog because it has fur, a tail, and can be domesticated. An apple is not an orange, a dog is not a cat, and gay rights are not the great civil rights struggle of our time.

To come to that conclusion does not make me an idiot, though you are free to tack it onto your list of things that do if you wish. As near as I can tell, my WGAF attitude about this whole Culliver deal was enough to earn that label.

And your subsequent reaction was enough to earn you the title of Cunt, cunt.
 

Thank God you explained it to us, until now I thought sexual orientation was a visible trait. It's a great tool for dick heads in society like you to subvert the point by forcing people into discrimination pissing contests. Just maybe, gay Americans are "struggling" for civil rights as well as black Americans. Just a little heads up for you, not every personal attribute is visible, so your attempt to limit the terms discrimination to only visible traits is wrong.
 
Thank God you explained it to us, until now I thought sexual orientation was a visible trait. It's a great tool for dick heads in society like you to subvert the point by forcing people into discrimination pissing contests. Just maybe, gay Americans are "struggling" for civil rights as well as black Americans. Just a little heads up for you, not every personal attribute is visible, so your attempt to limit the terms discrimination to only visible traits is wrong.

I'm not limiting it. I'm using it to compare and contrast things that you and others choose to compare it to in order to demonstrate that while there are shared similarities, the totality of the circumstances and results are incredibly different. People are discriminated against for a whole host of reasons from race, sex, sexual orientation, and things as menial as who your family is or isn't or what state, county, or town you grew up in. But the variances within and results of each reason for discrimination are vastly different.

You are free to disagree, but if you're going to disagree simply by saying I don't get it or implying that I'm an idiot, well then fuck that shit.
 
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