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Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - That was great.

DeacDaddy said:
I honestly don't grasp how Michael Jordan couldn't draft a #4 who plays at least something approaching his style, vs slow white guy style. Cody Zeller looks like a tall 8th grader. He's going to get eaten up down low and he'll drift away from the block.

Or at least trade down to get him!!

Do all of us really know more about hoops than MJ?
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Zeller is the fastest, most athletic big in the draft. What are you talking about? His strength is how well he runs the court.

Also, Cho overruled Jordan for the Zeller pick and Jordan backed off. Cho is an analytic stathead and wanted Zeller. Why does everyone purposely misunderstand who is making the calls in Charlotte?
 
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Strickland33 said:
We'll see. I don't think he's a stiff, but I'd feel OK putting $5 on Muscala having a better career.
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We shall see. Muscala strikes me as a guy who is a nice 4th option who can get you points on the second string when teams don't game plan for him but who doesn't have the ability to make a difference if a NBA team wants to slow him down. Adams has the physical ability to score with his back to the basket and rebound the ball at a rate at at is really useful for a team like OKC. Neither are even close to sure things though, Muscalabis probably a safer pick
 
Simmons hating on a guy from leaving the Celtics for the Clippers.

Irony much?
 
DeacDaddy said:
Also, the strategy was set up perfectly for the Bobcats to grab Noel and let him heal, still playing terribly, getting a good pick in 14, and then having a healthy Noel. And the Bobcats passed on this strategy that had fallen into their laps. It's like they're really stubborn and just sticking with their guy, regardless of how the draft was unfolding.
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Except that Noel was the worst fit for the team, and, like the rest of the high lottery, the Bobcats didn't want an injured project with questionable associates. Zeller is simply a better fit, and may be the better player too. Zeller wasn't dropping past 5-8, so I doubt they could've traded down and got their man. You need a partner to trade, too. Without Oladipo there, the Minny trade was gone. How do the trade down and still get their guy if no one is trading up?
 
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Dude Zeller was a shitty pick. Just glad they're not the Hornets yet so I don't have to care
 
Deacfreak07 said:
This. It just represents a misunderstanding of draft strategy.
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Two to tango. Trade down sounds great, but you need someone to trade up, and still get your guy. Who was that team? Zeller wasn't sliding out of the top ten, and Minny was out. Zeller may have gone to Phoenix with the next pick. Not worth the risk without a great deal in place.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
Except that Noel was the worst fit for the team, and, like the rest of the high lottery, the Bobcats didn't want an injured project with questionable associates. Zeller is simply a better fit, and may be the better player too. Zeller wasn't dropping past 5-8, so I doubt they could've traded down and got their man. You need a partner to trade, too. WIthout Oladipo there, the Minny trade was gone. How do the trade down and still get their guy if no one is trading up?
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Noel and Len go ahead of Zeller with 29/30 teams picking at #4. They could have gone back a couple picks with Noel/Len as bait. PHX was taking one of those picks. They said they had offers, but they liked Zeller more. More picks in 2014 would have been better value than Zeller anyway.
 
LOLOLOL the Horcats took zeller 4th!?!? That is perfect, what post did this go down at?
 
"I'd call him an idiot but I'm too classy for that."

Or too passive-aggressive.
 
Strickland33 said:
Easily. I mean, I actually have no idea why he wasn't a top-20 pick. He's a great athlete with great size. He's really skilled inside and surprisingly skilled with his face-up game. It's just that he's a bit skinny. Nothing that a year of lifting weights can't fix, though.

I moved on from beer to scotch, so I might be hyperbolizing a lot, but Muscala is really good at basketball.
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Yeah, when you show me a big man who is 6'11", skilled, and can rebound the heck out of the ball, I'm thinking of someone in the Nick Collison role. That's awesome value in the second round, and possibly better than Steve Adams will ever be.

But as always, these things take time. I'll eat crow in 4 years if someone reminds me.
 
buckets said:
Dude Zeller was a shitty pick. Just glad they're not the Hornets yet so I don't have to care
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And I disagree. Of the Zeller, Len, and Noel, I'll bet on Zeller having the best NBA career without blinking. He's actually produced at a high level, and still has a stretch game to grow. With Bennett off the board, he was the right big to pick, pre-conditioned media-fed assumptions aside. IMO.
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
Two to tango. Trade down sounds great, but you need someone to trade up, and still get your guy. Who was that team? Zeller wasn't sliding out of the top ten, and Minny was out. Zeller may have gone to Phoenix with the next pick. Not worth the risk without a great deal in place.
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Just having a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept, "What happens if we trade down and Zeller is gone?" Who cares? In a draft with this much mid-round quality, you cannot be worried about the risk of a guy like that getting taken at 5. Too many other options to go with that would be cheaper.

Compare Zeller to other historic fourth overall picks. I don't think he'll stack up favorably. Top five guys have to be dynamite. As someone else noted, Zeller is already closer to his ceiling than so many others in this draft.

My guess, he'll be remarkably average. But we shall see.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Noel and Len go ahead of Zeller with 29/30 teams picking at #4. They could have gone back a couple picks with Noel/Len as bait. PHX was taking one of those picks. They said they had offers, but they liked Zeller more. More picks in 2014 would have been better value than Zeller anyway.
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Again, you need someone to trade up to trade down. Which team was trading up before Philly picked at 11 (who said they pulled the trigger on the Noel trade only AFTER Zeller was gone, meaning they preferred Zeller)?
 
ArlingtonDeac said:
And I disagree. Of the Zeller, Len, and Noel, I'll bet on Zeller having the best NBA career without blinking. He's actually produced at a high level, and still has a stretch game to grow. With Bennett off the board, he was the right big to pick, pre-conditioned media-fed assumptions aside. IMO.
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Production in college is not always the best predictor of success. Time will tell. No one in this draft was a guarantee. Horcats got the guy they wanted, even if most would consider it a reach. That much is obvious time will tell if that is admirable or not.
 
TexasDeac10 said:
Yeah, when you show me a big man who is 6'11", skilled, and can rebound the heck out of the ball, I'm thinking of someone in the Nick Collison role. That's awesome value in the second round, and possibly better than Steve Adams will ever be.

But as always, these things take time. I'll eat crow in 4 years if someone reminds me.
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i've seen him once and that was against butler. my expert scouting eye said he was overmatched and will get pwned in the 60 minutes he plays in his nba career.
 
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Doc Rivers just quickly dismissed Bill Simmons like he was Indiana Jones shooting that one flamboyant swordsman in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
 
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