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What was the sentiment when we hired Skip?

Non-nut punch things that went wrong that year:
1. Taron misses the FT against F$U that would have won that game and gotten us the 1-seed in the ACC
2. Gut-wrenching OT loss at GT, with CP missing the game-winner
3. Duke utterly collapses in Chapel Hill; up 9 with 3 minutes left, UNC closes on an 11-0 run and wins the "regular season title."
4. As the 2-seed, we get matched up against a talented and pissed-off State team that wallops us in the second half (tied at halftime, IIRC), instead of a push-over Clemson team that we beat by about 30 in Death Valley earlier that year.
5. Creighton tied, with the ball, should be OT at worst, shoots a 3-pointer that gets blocked and turns into a fast break the other way to give WVU the win.
6. Craptastic draw and seeding that ended up with us playing WVU instead of a pathetic Pacific team.

If any of those things break the other way...

You probably couldn't tell on tv, but the West Virginia contingent outnumbered Wake fans by at least four to one. And of course, every neutral attendee rooted for the underdog Mountaineers.
 
The rally to keep Prosser from leaving Wake for Pitt was one of my favorite times as a student, fan and poster. It went from being officially unofficial that he was leaving to a huge celebration that he was staying. Great times that really sheds light on to how far we have fallen.
 
Dirk, you probably e-stoned me a time or two many years ago for asking that question.

We've had great players. We haven't had a great coach.

So true on both counts. Maybe one day we'll find our K or Dean Smith.
 
Dirk, you probably e-stoned me a time or two many years ago for asking that question.

If I did, I apologize. I've always said Odom lucked into Duncan (he was the last recruit in his class and thought to be a project); otherwise he would have been an average coach instead of winning two ACC tournaments. I don't think keeper was ever on board with me when I threw this out there over a drink back in the day.
 
Non-nut punch things that went wrong that year:
1. Taron misses the FT against F$U that would have won that game and gotten us the 1-seed in the ACC
2. Gut-wrenching OT loss at GT, with CP missing the game-winner
3. Duke utterly collapses in Chapel Hill; up 9 with 3 minutes left, UNC closes on an 11-0 run and wins the "regular season title."
4. As the 2-seed, we get matched up against a talented and pissed-off State team that wallops us in the second half (tied at halftime, IIRC), instead of a push-over Clemson team that we beat by about 30 in Death Valley earlier that year.
5. Creighton tied, with the ball, should be OT at worst, shoots a 3-pointer that gets blocked and turns into a fast break the other way to give WVU the win.
6. Craptastic draw and seeding that ended up with us playing WVU instead of a pathetic Pacific team.

If any of those things break the other way...

Stings to read. We should have been in CLT instead of Cleveland. Biggest waste of money buying tickets and being forced to watch Duke and UNC as 1-seeds. I gave away the Sunday tickets after we lost on Sat.
 
I don't think we would've beaten Clemson either in the ACCT, FWIW. They gave #1 seed UNC a great game. The Wake students (I among them) started rooting vociferously for Clemson which pissed off the Heel fans. Kinda sucked when all those Wal-Marters nagged us after we lost that evening, however.

Sucked so hard Duke jumped us for the #1 seed when we were two games better than them in the ACC regular season.

I guess one potential good thing is us winning the reg season title would've meant Duke and UNC would've met in the ACCT semis, and maybe then UNC gets revenge against the Dukies, and we wind up with the #1 seed.

Just a few ifs and buts
 
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I don't think we would've beaten Clemson either in the ACCT, FWIW. They gave #1 seed UNC a great game. The Wake students (I among them) started rooting vociferously for Clemson which pissed off the Heel fans. Kinda sucked when all those Wal-Marters nagged us after we lost that evening, however.

Sucked so hard Duke jumped us for the #1 seed when we were two games better than them in the ACC regular season.

I guess one potential good thing is us winning the reg season title would've meant Duke and UNC would've met in the ACCT semis, and maybe then UNC gets revenge against the Dukies, and we wind up with the #1 seed.

Just a few ifs and buts

And they didn't have to face Wake or UNC in the ACCT to win it. I really wanted another shot at Duke in the semis after K started that scrub to assault Paul in Cameron.
 
When I first hit the old board, I was definitely Odom out. When it happened, everyone on that board was Pelphrey and Few.

Beilein wasn't a popular choice and, being in Richmond , I certainly did not endorse him.

I suggested the possibility of Frank Johnson, and was immediately blasted by all of the board's bazillion posts guys for the noob that I was.

Truth.
 
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I have experienced some heart breaking losses in my sports life. That WVU loss was the worst. Unlike a lot of people here I am a life long Wake fan...I don't remember becoming a Deac. Fortunately or unfortunately it's in my blood. It took me at least two weeks to feel normal after that game. It still pains me.
 
Oklahoma State was the worst for me. I really thought we had a team good enough to win the national title.
 
ODOM was much like Buzz in the sense of quirky, nerdy, not much of a recruiter. He got luck with Duncan and Childress. One major difference when Odom took over as opposed to Buzz. Were there were no expectations. I assume if Odom was hired after Skip, he also would have been run out of town.

I forgot that you have always had some weird hatred thing about Odom. Just one of many things you are wrong about.
 
Whatever wavering there was dissipated quickly. Witty, funny, friendly, charismatic, and oh yeah- good recruiter and game winner. Was he John Wooden? No. Did he make [Redacted] look like a shit-shoveling mute? All day long.

The mule is a noble beast of burden that doesn't make excuses. Not even on Tuesdays.
 
Odom was nerdy. He could also coach, occasionally attract talent (though he had some very lean recruiting years) and was not a dick.

Odom's 1st 2-3 classes were very good. Then he went through some lean years with Ricky Stokes as his primary recruiting assistant. Had Duncan not turned out to be so great, the mid 90s would have been quite lean. But when he hired Haith to be his primary recruiting assistant, our recruiting really picked up again. Odom wasn't the type of coach who was going to woo recruits and their families, but he was a solid Xs and Os guy. His teams typically played good man D and he used an effective 3-2 match-up zone. Had he let his players adopt a more up-tempo offensive style, he may not have lost that last team like he did.
 
After the Butler loss, many of us decided it was time for Dave Odom to go. Skip was a huge breath of fresh air - very analagous to Grobe/Clawson sich.

This exactly. People were ready for Odom to leave. There was tremendous respect for what Davey had done, but also a strong feeling that he had failed to exploit the Duncan years and that the program was stagnant.

Here is the biggest irony versus our current situation: Except for his first year with Staak's players, Odom had had a continual string of NCAA appearances, and with very few exceptions, we were always a tough opponent, home or on the road. The one year he missed the NCAAs, Odom took us to the NIT and won it . And yet we all thought that Wake's basketball program was an underperforming stock that could get to the "next" level with the right coach. We all thought Skip would be that coach when he was hired.

Today we have a coach who in four years has failed to take us to the NCAAs even one time. When we go on the road in the ACC, we are not even competitive. And yet our AD says the program is "heading in the right direction." This would be the same AD who essentially fired Dave Odom, not because he did not take us to the NCAAs every year, but because he failed to advance far enough.
 
This exactly. People were ready for Odom to leave. There was tremendous respect for what Davey had done, but also a strong feeling that he had failed to exploit the Duncan years and that the program was stagnant.

Here is the biggest irony versus our current situation: Except for his first year with Staak's players, Odom had had a continual string of NCAA appearances, and with very few exceptions, we were always a tough opponent, home or on the road. The one year he missed the NCAAs, Odom took us to the NIT and won it . And yet we all thought that Wake's basketball program was an underperforming stock that could get to the "next" level with the right coach. We all thought Skip would be that coach when he was hired.

Today we have a coach who in four years has failed to take us to the NCAAs even one time. When we go on the road in the ACC, we are not even competitive. And yet our AD says the program is "heading in the right direction." This would be the same AD who essentially fired Dave Odom, not because he did not take us to the NCAAs every year, but because he failed to advance far enough.

This is generally true, except Odom actually missed the NCAAs three straight years between Duncan and Butler, winning the NIT once in that span.
The parallels between Odom and Grobe are notable.
 
While the entire Pelphrey tide was going on, many chided me and told me I had no idea what I was talking about when I made Skip my 1/1a choice form Day One (the other person I listed was Rick Majerus, but I said he wouldn't take the job).
 
While the entire Pelphrey tide was going on, many chided me and told me I had no idea what I was talking about when I made Skip my 1/1a choice form Day One (the other person I listed was Rick Majerus, but I said he wouldn't take the job).

well of course you did
 
...The parallels between Odom and Grobe are notable.


Amazingly so. The parallels are uncanny, even identical. Both won ACC championships approx. 6 years into their tenures and achieved temporary "walk on water" status with the fan/donor base. Both failed to exploit those championships by moving their programs to permanently higher levels. Both were regarded in their final years as cruising and satisfied with mediocrity, no longer hungry. Fairly or not, both were perceived to have accepted a "LOWF" mentality and both seemed resentful when the fan base demanded more (Odom even coined the actual term, perhaps his most lasting legacy to Wake athletics). I cannot criticize either of them. They were both decent men who ran clean programs and had significant success at times. Maybe that's the best thing that can ever be said about a Wake coach. But in both cases, when they left, it was time for them to go.

Skip himself said that eventually, all coaches get fired, because if you succeed, the rising fan expectations ultimately consume you (except in the most exceptional cases like Coach K and Jim Boeheim). And if you fail quickly, you are fired quickly (unless your name is Jeff [Redacted] and you were hired by Ron Wellman).
 
Amazingly so. The parallels are uncanny, even identical. Both won ACC championships approx. 6 years into their tenures and achieved temporary "walk on water" status with the fan/donor base. Both failed to exploit those championships by moving their programs to permanently higher levels. Both were regarded in their final years as cruising and satisfied with mediocrity, no longer hungry. Fairly or not, both were perceived to have accepted a "LOWF" mentality and both seemed resentful when the fan base demanded more (Odom even coined the actual term, perhaps his most lasting legacy to Wake athletics). I cannot criticize either of them. They were both decent men who ran clean programs and had significant success at times. But in both cases, when they left, it was time for them to go.

Skip himself said that eventually, all coaches get fired, because if you succeed, the rising fan expectations ultimately consume you (except in the most exceptional cases like Coach K and Jim Boeheim). And if you fail quickly, you are fired quickly (unless your name is Jeff [Redacted] and you were hired by Ron Wellman).

Also, late in their tenures, part of their downfalls was running a style of play that didn't fit their personnel.
 
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