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Pretty sure I already said that that I didn't know much about him and watched his game videos against the top teams in Spain to get an idea. Dunno how he got 100 tackles but against the big clubs he didn't look like much of a tackling machine at all. He did look pretty decent at some other things.

Hoy boy! There you go loving to be wrong again!


Average of 3.1 tackles per game in all 33 La Liga matches he played in last season, 2 of which were substitute appearances.

Bilbao 1 - 0 Barca: 5 tackles won
Barca 2 - 1 Bilbao: 4 tackles won
Bilbao 1 - 1 Real Madrid: 3 tackles won


Average of 4 tackles/game in the 3 matches against Barca and Real Madrid. (And allow me to do the math for you; that works out to an extra tackle per game when playing Barca and Real Madrid than when playing any other La Liga side).

In short, you don't know what you are talking about, so you might want to just stop and let this debate slink away. You are just making yourself look foolish.
 
Obviously the big clubs in Spain don't seem him being a Champions League caliber player for them. But hey, I guess Man U doesn't need to worry about that, now do they!

In short, I don't really care what you think. You know about half of what you think you know about the game anyway. You thought the core of Liverpool's team was not good enough when they were signed, that they were wastes of money.
So obviously you didn't know shit about what kind of players would do well in England, and probably you still don't.

I'd take Markovic over two Herreras. Not to say Markovic is a sure thing either as a player or a signing but he looks like one with a chance to become a top player -- the right mentality, confidence, decisiveness, hunger for the ball. I wish they'd signed him when he was at Partizan when they scouted him, but not surprised they didn't given how outlandish Partizan's demand was.

Herrera is almost 25, so he's pretty much what he's going to be, and what that is was apparently not good enough for Spain or the big clubs there. If not even Atletico was after him, why should a top club in England be? I guess that's why he ended up at a 7th place club.

Same as Markovic goes for Origi in terms of those qualities (which I think are all pretty important to Rodgers, all fit into things he's talked about targeting in transfers). The shame is he could have been had for peanuts a year ago, but that goes for everyone in England pretty much and no one wanted him. But 5-6M with addons above wouldn't be too bad if he ends up being signed.
 
So...
Player linked with Liverpool = good player
Player linked with United = bad player



It is impossible to take your opinions seriously when you think is such simplistic ways.
 
Herrera got a card the last game against Barca, and should have gotten at least one against Real the one time he played against them.

Good player, not a great player, not good enough for Barca or Real apparently, or the Europe-qualified sides in England.
 
So...
Player linked with Liverpool = good player
Player linked with United = bad player

It is impossible to take your opinions seriously when you think is such simplistic ways.

Then don't. I truly could not possibly care less. Your opinion on players ceased to matter when a bunch of guys you didn't think were good enough wiped your boys completely off the fucking pitch in your house.
 
Herrera got a card the last game against Barca, and should have gotten at least one against Real the one time he played against them.

Good player, not a great player, not good enough for Barca or Real apparently, or the Europe-qualified sides in England.

Ander cried when his transfer to United collapsed at the last minute last August. He has only wanted to join United since then. Graham Hunter wrote as much when waxing poetic about the player. I'll take his word on a player in a league he follow religiously over your opinion on the player after watching a youtube video after he joined a club you simply refuse to pay any compliment towards, no matter what.
 
Well I guess it's clear why you don't know anything now...if you think Graham Hunter does.

I've got a great compliment for Man U...they're better than whoever finished 7th in La Liga.
 
Y'all dv7 just got took

Remember when he coached united/played for them

LOL like he doesn't see himself as part of the club. That made me laugh.

He slagged off Henderson, slagged off Allen, slagged off pretty much anything Liverpool did for years.

You don't think it's appropriate that he have to eat some of that humble pie now that his club is out of Europe and overpaying for sub-international players?
 
Ander cried when his transfer to United collapsed at the last minute last August.

He cried for having to stay in the city he claims to consider home? Jeez what a little bitch. Should have been counting his blessings that he didn't have to be part of that shitshow last year. Guess he didn't learn much.
 
Oh I gave it to him pretty hard in one of those threads you aren't allowed to post on. The EPL season thread.

Yeah well why stop now?

But seriously for all the smack he talked about the guys LFC signed, it's hard to think he knows much of what he's talking about even though he acts like he does. Some people are information gatherers, others are information processors and analysts. Gathering information isn't completely unimportant, but processing and analyzing it is much more so.
 
LOL like he doesn't see himself as part of the club. That made me laugh.

He slagged off Henderson, slagged off Allen, slagged off pretty much anything Liverpool did for years.

You don't think it's appropriate that he have to eat some of that humble pie now that his club is out of Europe and overpaying for sub-international players?

I've fully admitted that I deserve a lot of shit for how United were so appalling last season. I haven't run from that.


Oh, and Allen is still decidedly average. Henderson had a very good season, but was found out at the World Cup this summer as not that good -- best of luck with him in the Champions League. But yes, he did much better for Liverpool last season than I thought he would have. I will readily admit that I was wrong about that.


I also laughed at the Downing, Aspas, Carroll, and Adam signings. Then after watching Coates twice I said he was shit. I also recall saying that Mignolet was good, but no improvement over Pepe Reina as he makes lots of mistakes on crosses.

Full story, I said that the Sturridge and Coutinho signings were excellent, and really liked y'all signing Jose Enrique. 2 right, 1 wrong there. Also liked the Sakho signing, he was hit and miss last season, and I'm thinking I was wrong about that one, but jury still out.


Also thought that Jovanovic would realize his potential and really do well for Liverpool. I got that one wrong for sure. What a waste of talent.
 
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What a great moment. Fuck that racist cunt.


He has bitten a player 3 times on the pitch and that still isn't the worst thing he has done while playing. Racially abusing a fellow human being is lower than low. It's despicable.



And before Kanhoji constructs his most favorite strawman argument --- Yes. Racially abusing a fellow human being is worse than breaking their leg. It is worse than cheating on your wife with your brother's wife. And it is (easily) worse than kicking a fan that just racially insulted you.


None of those offenses are at all defensible, but they are all of varying degrees of "bad". And, personally, I put racism near the very top of the list. I also put a man hitting a woman near the very top of the "disgusting behavior" list.
 
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Well I guess it's clear why you don't know anything now...if you think Graham Hunter does.


I was all like, "wait, somebody doesn't respect Hunter's opinion? Really?

Then I saw this tweet and was all like, "oh. it is so sad that it makes sense now."

Graham Hunter @BumperGraham · 18h
Anyone who saw Suarez's movement towards Chiellini and subsequent bite and can't identify pre meditation lacks either honesty or perception


 
Oh, and Allen is still decidedly average. Henderson had a very good season, but was found out at the World Cup this summer as not that good -- best of luck with him in the Champions League. But yes, he did much better for Liverpool last season than I thought he would have. I will readily admit that I was wrong about that.

If you didn't figure out that the difference between LFC and England was down to management, then I really overestimated you which is pretty hard to imagine. Hell, Hodgson actually managed Liverpool! It's not even like you have to imagine what it would have been like...it happened! The way Hodgson played Henderson you might as well put him in shackles. Just stupid. But those of us that were paying attention were absolutely sure that was going to happen because that's what Hodgson does. Amazingly, the central defense was so bad that not even this helped them. I guess there's a reason why the only positions LFC don't have English players is CB -- top 4 guys all foreign, not looking like that's gonna change either. Pretty much he should have just copied Rodgers -- tough to imagine them a better way than that. Just plug Rooney in for a lacking but passable facsimile of Suarez, and Lallana in the midfield and there you are. But Hodgson would sooner lose than play aggressively.

I also laughed at the Downing, Aspas, Carroll, and Adam signings. Then after watching Coates twice I said he was shit. I also recall saying that Mignolet was good, but no improvement over Pepe Reina as he makes lots of mistakes on crosses.

Coates wasn't shit, he was young and then injured. Doubt he's going to fit into the way Rodgers wants to play, but for another side he could still be quite good. Mignolet made fewer mistakes than Reina in shot stopping which is the top job of a keeper. No one is sorry about that exchange. I've already talked about how the Carroll exchange worked out just fine. Downing had one terrible and one pretty decent season at Liverpool. With his ability to play left or right I wonder if Rodgers didn't give up on him too quickly like he tried to with a couple of others before wisely reconsidering. Aspas never really got a chance because of how dominant Suarez and Sturridge were. Adam is just too slow to play for Rodgers despite having some other good qualities.

Full story, I said that the Sturridge and Coutinho signings were excellent, and really liked y'all signing Jose Enrique. 2 right, 1 wrong there. Also liked the Sakho signing, he was hit and miss last season, and I'm thinking I was wrong about that one, but jury still out.

LOL wut? Sakho is going to be fine. Not even close to worried...but it's funny how many ill-informed fans think he was bad because they remember him getting rattled in one game. Good in the air, good on the ground, built like a truck, runs well, good passer...not sure what's not to like.

Also thought that Jovanovic would realize his potential and really do well for Liverpool. I got that one wrong for sure. What a waste of talent.

Oh come on...no Konchesky? No Paulsen or whatever the fuck his name was?
 
Oh come on...no Konchesky? No Paulsen or whatever the fuck his name was?

Those were obviously horrible transfers to even Liverpool supporters. Probably even you. They were that bad.


Hodgson never managed Henderson at Liverpool, so your comparison there didn't make too much sense. He was still outplayed by Italy (understandable) and Uruguay (not acceptable). Same for Gerrard.

Yes, tactics played a part, but completely excusing the players is complete nonsensical and dishonest.



Coates is terrible.
 
Adam Lallana's World Cup: 1 start, 2 sub appearances. 75% passing. No key passes. No dribbles past a defender. Fouled twice. Dispossessed/turned the ball over thrice. 2 tackles won, 2 interceptions, 2 fouls. 6.12 average rating
 
Luke Shaw's World Cup: 1 start 0 subs. 84% passing. No key passes. Dribbled past opponent once. Fouled 3 times. Dispossessed/turned ball over thrice. 2 tackles won, 2 interceptions, 1 foul. 7.07 rating in his only match.
 
The Triad is probably the most racist place I've ever been, so I guess you all would know what's worse or better than racism.

I'm not going to try to make an order of severity except to say that there's only of those things you mentioned that I would consider such a betrayal as to be completely unforgiveable at any point after it happened. Maybe some other people don't hold family to be as important as I do, I don't know.

Interestingly though, Evra has said he doesn't think Suarez is racist. But you do, but I'm sure you know Suarez better than Evra does.
 
Yes, tactics played a part, but completely excusing the players is complete nonsensical and dishonest.

Apply to Manchester United then. Wasn't just Moyes...was the players that weren't good enough.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your hypocrite.

(drops mike)
 
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