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Law School is a sham

What's awesome about that? A bunch of fellow lawyers are duping people into taking out federal student loans in order to get a worthless degree on the promise that they can work with you one day.
 
What's awesome about that? A bunch of fellow lawyers are duping people into taking out federal student loans in order to get a worthless degree on the promise that they can work with you one day.

I should have been clearer: it is awesome that Charlotte Law is being called out. As for being duped by "fellow lawyers," I don't think that is accurate. CL is owned by InfiLaw, a for-profit corporation. (Charleston law, on the other hand, is a for-profit law school started by Charleston attorneys. It does not get as much negative press because it is not organized the way InfiLaw is.)

I do not think it is funny what these schools are doing to these kids, and I do feel for them, but if feelings have to be hurt to get the message out that this is not a place where people should invest in an education, then that is what has to happen.
 
Yes, I am. Like I said, I think law school paid off for me. I would advise anyone in NC to only go if its Wake, Duke, or UNC.

...or Campbell if you want to study in the Capitol city and pass the bar. Sorry, have to take up for my son, a recent Wake undergrad attending Campbell on the Dean's scholarship.
 
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Employed at graduation for this year:

Duke: 77.8%
Wake: 53.8%
UNC: 44.9%
Campbell: 19.3%
 
I think Campbell is great with that scholly. The best choice they ever made was moving to Raleigh, and the building is really nice. Your son should definitely try and take advantage of that opportunity by working wherever he wants to eventually be employed during law school, as an intern/fellow. That's how I got my job.

Second, employment at graduation isn't as great of a stat as it sounds. Most people I know didn't get jobs until after bar results came out. I feel like employers just aren't taking that chance these days. It's an employer's market, and the bar is only getting tougher to pass in NC.
 
Wake class of 2013 had 113 of 159 in a "bar passage required" position at the "9 months after graduation" mark (93 long term positions, the rest short-term) and 6 in a JD preferred. (2012 median private practice salary of $67.5k)
Campbell's had 75 of 135 in a long term bar passage required position and 22 short term and 11 in a "JD preferred position." (2012 median private practice salary of $55k)
Duke's class had 219 of 241 in a bar passage job (6 JD preferred and 7 pursuing an additional degree). (2012 median private practice salary of $160k)
UNC's 2013 class had 173 of 206 in "bar passage required" long term position 3 short term and a handful of part time. 15 in JD preferred and 5 pursuing an additional degree. (2012 median private practice salary of $115k)

Sorry the formatting is inconsistent, but that's probably a better comparison for employment post bar.

I definitely think Campbell makes sense in a lot of circumstances, but probably needs a better situation (scholarship etc.) than some of the others.

100% think that the Raleigh move will be huge for Campbell.

I also think it is disingenuous to say that firms aren't hiring prior to bar passage. If that were true two of the other schools wouldn't be >50% with the other right below it. They aren't hiring like they used to, but the fact is MOST students at the other schools are employed when they walk across the stage.
 
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#GoCamels!

The law school at Campbell is solid. It's not in the same category as some of the other, higher rated, in state schools. It's nowhere close to Charlotte Law either. From what I'm told, the move to Raleigh seems to have helped things considerably.
 

Charlotte School of Law has a median GPA of 2.91 and LSAT of 144 for the Class of 2013. A score of 144 puts you in the bottom quartile of test takers. One need only be semi-conscious to earn a score this low. This isn’t a low score; it’s an impressively low score.

Most mornings when class is in, there are 5-6 "legal scholars" on the trolley with me. I can confirm that this holds true.
 
Are there any medical schools with the same business plan as Charlotte Law and others?
 
Are there any medical schools with the same business plan as Charlotte Law and others?

No idea, but it would seem to me that a medical school would have significantly more overhead with labs, equipment, etc. Law School just needs some crusty old professors and a building.
 
Are there any medical schools with the same business plan as Charlotte Law and others?

Doubtful
I may be (definitely am) off on the exact numbers, but I think until the last few years the number of medical schools chartered (I guess chartered is the right word) by the AMA was capped at something like 100 schools. I think recently they've allowed a few more and allowing a few more was kind of a big deal.
 
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Are there any medical schools with the same business plan as Charlotte Law and others?

Medical school is a much, MUCH bigger investment than law school. College grads with no idea what they want to do aren't going to go to medical school on a whim.
 
Making things even worse, Charlotte Law trumpets around this cultish "new you", "better you", "new start", "building success" bullshit in an absolutely ploy to prey on the educated poor and young minority students looking for a way up and out. The student body looks just like, and probably has a lot of overlap with, a typical ACN Conference here in Charlotte. At least ACN only puts you a few thousand dollars into debt before you realize it's never going to pay off.
 
Are there any medical schools with the same business plan as Charlotte Law and others?

No, at least not yet. The regulatory body is much, much stronger for medicine than law.
 
Wake class of 2013 had 113 of 159 in a "bar passage required" position at the "9 months after graduation" mark (93 long term positions, the rest short-term) and 6 in a JD preferred. (2012 median private practice salary of $67.5k)
Campbell's had 75 of 135 in a long term bar passage required position and 22 short term and 11 in a "JD preferred position." (2012 median private practice salary of $55k)
Duke's class had 219 of 241 in a bar passage job (6 JD preferred and 7 pursuing an additional degree). (2012 median private practice salary of $160k)
UNC's 2013 class had 173 of 206 in "bar passage required" long term position 3 short term and a handful of part time. 15 in JD preferred and 5 pursuing an additional degree. (2012 median private practice salary of $115k)

Sorry the formatting is inconsistent, but that's probably a better comparison for employment post bar.

I definitely think Campbell makes sense in a lot of circumstances, but probably needs a better situation (scholarship etc.) than some of the others.

100% think that the Raleigh move will be huge for Campbell.

I also think it is disingenuous to say that firms aren't hiring prior to bar passage. If that were true two of the other schools wouldn't be >50% with the other right below it. They aren't hiring like they used to, but the fact is MOST students at the other schools are employed when they walk across the stage.

I'm calling bullshit on Duke's median private practice salary. Isn't $160k BigLaw starting salary in the big cities (NY, DC, LA, etc)? And I know plenty of Duke grads go to BigLaw in cities where $160k isn't the starting salary (more like $135k-$140k in ATL, for example).
 
I'm calling bullshit on Duke's median private practice salary. Isn't $160k BigLaw starting salary in the big cities (NY, DC, LA, etc)? And I know plenty of Duke grads go to BigLaw in cities where $160k isn't the starting salary (more like $135k-$140k in ATL, for example).

$160k is the starting salary at all of the big firms in NY, DC, Chicago, Silicon Valley, Wilmington (DE), Houston, etc. Only 20% of my class stayed in the "Atlantic South" which is NC, SC, VA and GA. The sheer number of graduates that just go to NY is absurd. I think something like 20% of my class went to NYC alone, 15% or so to DC, probably another 10% to Houston and somewhere around 5% to Chicago. Keep in mind, that is the median number so all it takes is half the class going to a big market and you are at $160k. The mean is nowhere near that number though (I am one of the ones that went to a non-big market). It is kind of a misleading number anyway because the 50th percentile and the 75th percentile are the exact same number. The year I graduated 25th percentile was 115k, 50th was 160k and 75th was 160k.

There is also absolutely no way working at those firms is worth 160k.

ETA: Just looked it up, you get to 49.8% of my class (2011) between NYC, Texas, California and DC, and our class had the lowest number to NYC in the last 4 years (17% versus a typical 22-23%).
 
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