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I thought affirmative action was from the State which is doing the protecting.

So protection from what?

Again, we've already established I am powerless against the lies you tell yourself (like this one). The State is doing the perpetrating.

Listen, we get it. You guys are cool with this practice. If you really are, just call it what it is; be proud. No reason to just make shit up like the state is "protecting" people by discriminating between people based upon skin color in 2015. THAT is the offending conduct. If you really feel good about it, just tell the truth.

Second request: how many Republicans? #diversity
 
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I know you'll duck these (and I would hate to distract you from whatever feast you're putting together for this evening), but:

If not for affirmative action, then do you think there would be people of color in any American institutions of power?

Is diversity important in American institutions of power?

Do you think that more diverse institutions would be better fit to solve the problems that you so often (de)rail against on every Tunnels?

I don't know the answers, but I do that the free market, when left on its own, tends to both practice and reinforce racial discrimination because of the systematic devaluation of people of colors' lives in this country.
 
I know you'll duck these (and I would hate to distract you from whatever feast you're putting together for this evening), but:

If not for affirmative action, then do you think there would be people of color in any American institutions of power? Yes. I think people of color are perfectly capable of succeeding on their own merits.

Is diversity important in American institutions of power? Diversity of thought is most important, yes. Ten people who look different but think identically don't yield the desired fruits of diversity.

Do you think that more diverse institutions would be better fit to solve the problems that you so often (de)rail against on every Tunnels? I suppose it depends on which institution you are referring to, and what type of diversity. Assuming you're just referring to the diversity of the color of people's skin, I don't see how that matters nearly as much as the choices people make in their lives. (Sidebar: That's the good news. Isn't it?). Would you rather be born to a family of college educated involved parents who happen to be black or be born an undiscovered Honey Boo-Boo in a single wide to an tenth grade educated single mother somewhere on the Wrangor Riviera who happened to be white? I think there is more to one's circumstance than pigment.

I don't know the answers, but I do that the free market, when left on its own, tends to both practice and reinforce racial discrimination because of the systematic devaluation of people of colors' lives in this country.

Here you go.

eta for your turn: Why are Asian kids attempting to conceal their skin color in the applications to college? Is it 1943 or 2015?
 
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"...nor shall any State... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Protection from what?
 
Here you go.

eta for your turn: Why are Asian kids attempting to conceal their skin color in the applications to college? Is it 1943 or 2015?

Because it's better to be White in America. Not sure how that helps your argument.
 
Because it's better to be White in America. Not sure how that helps your argument.

Feigned misunderstanding. Wonderful.

Asian applicants are hoping to be mistaken for white applicants. There is only one explanation for this phenomenon. And it is a horrible one which isn't remotely Constitutional (and methinks you already knew that).
 
How on Earth is diversity code for racial discrimination. I would love to see you

The Bushes sent their diversity regards in the forms of Clarence Thomas for Thurgood Marshall and Harriet Miers for Sandra Day O'Connor. Dems will nominate a woman to replace RBG and likely at least one additional woman for any of the next three SC openings. Goodwin Lui will likely be the first Asian Justice. Next Justice probably attended law school in the mid-'90s well after gender parity was achieved in law schools.
 
Feigned misunderstanding. Wonderful.

Asian applicants are hoping to be mistaken for white applicants. There is only one explanation for this phenomenon. And it is a horrible one which isn't remotely Constitutional (and methinks you already knew that).

So it's not better to be white in America?
 
On a college application, I would think it would be better to be black.

Are you calling the Asians dumb for pretending to be white?
 
Yes, he is obviously calling THE Asians dumb. You are unfucking believable.

Unbelievable you couldn't see an obvious joke on the myth of white victimhood in college admissions. It's as if you've never seen a group referred to as "the ____" as a source of boards humor before.

But whatever. Stay offended.
 
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Unbelievable you couldn't see an obvious joke on the myth of white victimhood in college admissions. It's as if you've never seen a group referred to as "the ____" as a source of boards humor before.

But whatever. Stay offended.

I'm not offended at all. I just think you're an asshole.

A condescending asshole.
 
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I'm not offended at all. I just think you're an asshole.

Well you thought that before the post above, so I'm not sure of your point.
 
"If not for affirmative action, then do you think there would be people of color in any American institutions of power? Yes. I think people of color are perfectly capable of succeeding on their own merits."

That really is the key to all of this. Do you think minorities are capable of succeeding on their own in 2015?

I think there is ample reason to believe they can and will succeed just like previously discriminated groups did. It seems a bit racist to think they cannot and will not.
 
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I don't think there's anybody out there who succeeds solely on their own merits. Luck, knowing the right people, circumstance, etc play a big role in who ends up where.

It takes a lot of weird faith to believe that the best person for every job who wants that job is already doing it.
 
I don't think there's anybody out there who succeeds solely on their own merits. Luck, knowing the right people, circumstance, etc play a big role in who ends up where.

It takes a lot of weird faith to believe that the best person for every job who wants that job is already doing it.


And it takes an even weirder faith to believe that affirmative action will result in the best person for every job.
 
I'm not offended at all. I just think you're an asshole.

A condescending asshole.

In fairness to Ph, the mechanics of the policy he is obfuscating are so horrendous, he's not left with many options. If pressed to defend how affirmative action works, I don't even know where I would begin. Going full a-hole might be his best choice.

On the plus side, this act will grow tired and in 50 years, progressives will swear they were against Affirmative Action (along with abortion) at the time. Eventually, bad ideas die out.

If you are actually interested in sustainable equality, look at what has happened in the lifetime of an 85 year old Japanese-American. Our country went from fighting a nuclear war against his brothers and sisters, rounding him up just because he looked like them and herding him into makeshift camps, and now his grandkids are doing so well on tests taught in their second language that white liberals are marking them down on their college applications and taking opportunities away from them. I mean, that's a pretty good sign, right? If one of his nephews could just get cast as the home invading perpetrator in a home alarm commercial, that's like the pot of gold at the end of the equality rainbow. So cheer up, guilty white people: you don't really live in the cauldron of hate and intolerance of your dreams. Progress is possible.
 
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