HailToTheDeacons
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I advocate it. We can't have guns anymore. Repeal the 2nd Amendment. No more guns. At all. For anyone.
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I advocate it. We can't have guns anymore. Repeal the 2nd Amendment. No more guns. At all. For anyone.
Or, you know, actually read the text of the Second Amendment and restrict gun ownership to militia members, and then promptly arrest them for treason for forming an unlicensed militia against the US government.
So what did you think the video was about?
So what did you think the video was about?
The video was a generalized attack on, or mocking of, Americans' love of guns, and love of their freedom to own guns. I didn't hear any specific changes being suggested. He talks about Australia, where, I gather, guns are either illegal or highly restricted. Other than Townie, I don't think anyone is suggesting anything so drastic in the U.S.
My question was an honest one and a specific one. Which of the changes that are being seriously considered in the US would have helped in this case?
The video was a generalized attack on, or mocking of, Americans' love of guns, and love of their freedom to own guns. I didn't hear any specific changes being suggested. He talks about Australia, where, I gather, guns are either illegal or highly restricted. Other than Townie, I don't think anyone is suggesting anything so drastic in the U.S.
My question was an honest one and a specific one. Which of the changes that are being seriously considered in the US would have helped in this case?
Based on my reading of this thread I think a lot of people don't see a need for guns in America.
If guns weren't so loved in this country, people wouldn't see guns as a way to solve their problems.
There is no reason for 99% of people to own a handgun period.
The infatuation with guns in The United States is bizarre and has led to a lot of people being needlessly killed.
None of them because they aren't common sense solutions. They're attempts to pacify people with a gun fetish and people who want to do something, anything to address the unique high rate of gun violence in the US.
And your question isn't an honest one because you twisted what people are saying into your own reductionist, restrictive understanding of the issue.
The bolded is complete bullshit. I was being completely open and honest with my question - I really haven't heard of any proposed changes to the current laws (like, actually proposed on the national level, not suggested by someone you or I know) that would have prevented what happened today. Am I wrong? I certainly could be, I have never claimed to be the most informed person in the world. So, if I am wrong, please correct me - I like to learn.
The only suggestion or response to my question in this thread is to ban guns completely. I respect that opinion but I have a hard time imagining that ever happening in this country.
The bolded is complete bullshit. I was being completely open and honest with my question - I really haven't heard of any proposed changes to the current laws (like, actually proposed on the national level, not suggested by someone you or I know) that would have prevented what happened today. Am I wrong? I certainly could be, I have never claimed to be the most informed person in the world. So, if I am wrong, please correct me - I like to learn.
The only suggestion or response to my question in this thread is to ban guns completely. I respect that opinion but I have a hard time imagining that ever happening in this country.
OK, so I watched the video. While it was funny and all, I did not see one single mention of a common sense change to the gun control laws that would have prevented this terrible tragedy. Did you?
As I understand it, this guy bought his gun back in June. And, as far as I know, he was not a felon, and, in fact, had no criminal record. He also, as far as I know, had no record of mental illness.
So, I ask my question again, 'what commone sense gun control law or laws would have prevented this tragedy?'. Neither waiting periods, background checks or bans on assault rifles would have helped at all. I am in favor of many of these types of changes to the laws, by the way.
Short of simply banning all personal ownership of firearms, which, as far as I know, no one is advocating; I don't see any way of preventing these types of actions...
I am open to suggestions - but don't give me flippant "watch the video" answers like I am an idiot gun nut.
OK, so I watched the video. While it was funny and all, I did not see one single mention of a common sense change to the gun control laws that would have prevented this terrible tragedy. Did you?
As I understand it, this guy bought his gun back in June. And, as far as I know, he was not a felon, and, in fact, had no criminal record. He also, as far as I know, had no record of mental illness.
So, I ask my question again, 'what commone sense gun control law or laws would have prevented this tragedy?'. Neither waiting periods, background checks or bans on assault rifles would have helped at all. I am in favor of many of these types of changes to the laws, by the way.
Short of simply banning all personal ownership of firearms, which, as far as I know, no one is advocating; I don't see any way of preventing these types of actions...
I am open to suggestions - but don't give me flippant "watch the video" answers like I am an idiot gun nut.
Well if you didn't listen to all of his suggestions, you might not be very quick. He did offer solutions, so let me dumb it down and
spell it out for you:
Make guns prohibitively expensive and difficult to get via the imposition of exorbitant taxes (those were big words so that means raise taxes on guns so that they are really, really high, so then the guns cost more at WalMart). Sell 9MM Glocs for $15,000.00. Sell AR-15s for $50,000.00.
If that was the case, that probably WOULD have prevented this recently fired loser from going out and buying a gun in response to the Charleston shootings.