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VW caught cheating on emissions data

This is the case, a predominance of minimum violations. Many people know this and think no big deal. So, then why deliberately try to mislead your readers and viewers about the composition of this particular issue? Such a reality disparity does not come about by accident. It is deliberate. The reporting of this story has been about as cynical, one-sided, and misleading by the western media such as CNN and BBC as I can ever recall.
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
This is the case, a predominance of minimum violations. Many people know this and think no big deal. So, then why deliberately try to mislead your readers and viewers about the composition of this particular issue? Such a reality disparity does not come about by accident. It is deliberate. The reporting of this story has been about as cynical, one-sided, and misleading by the western media such as CNN and BBC as I can ever recall.
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FOS not only stinks but is also a waste of time
 
It's a great sign of society's values when a company that was founded by HITLER managed to stay in business quite profitably for ~75 years, but is forced to shitcan its CEO over some environmental matters that mean jack shit in grand scheme of things. Doesn't get much better than that.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
It's a great sign of society's values when a company that was founded by HITLER managed to stay in business quite profitably for ~75 years, but is forced to shitcan its CEO over some environmental matters that mean jack shit in grand scheme of things. Doesn't get much better than that.
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ummm...
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Who is distorting this story?
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I am glad you asked, This is hardly an exhaustive list but here are some answers (in no particular order):

1. Long term automotive interests: the Americans, and their immediate co-conspirators the Asian Companies, even various European markets tend to have extreme competition. The big media in Europe often leans left-liberal. This is overwhelmingly true of the American media, often true of the British, and even the BBC - which is supposed to be neutral, and CNN in Europe. The performance of CNN has been beneath all criticism and downright entirely misleading in covering this story.

2. Long term economic interest: the big media are a part of the club of big international corporations in Europe. They - as big corporations often do - see the automotive market as a source of massive profits. The total investment to the various European countries is a different matter. Nevertheless, from their own perspective and for their own needs, big corporations often see the destruction of other national corporations as advantageous. These corporations have enormous influence in Brussels and on the media. Brussels, for anyone looking closely, has become center for failed politicians from all over Europe, many with leftist sympathies, and big multinational corporations and their lobbyists. There is not much left of the old European collectiveness. They have retained the appeal of leftist idealism (especially for those not looking too closely, or deliberately looking away), while being in bed day and night with the corporate world, from which they are claiming to be trying to protect the ordinary citizen. Brussels is a kind of poster child for this development. And the media serves as the public relations branch: complete with bought and paid for articles and stories to advance certain interests.

3. Hysteria sells. More people respond to emotional stimuli in the media than to rational arguments or to accurate information. Hence, the doling out of the story in such a way - and only in that way - to appeal almost entirely to the emotions of people, who actually know little and understand less of the serious and complex problems and issues involved, people who can be very easily manipulated by wild environmental “facts” evoking strong emotional responses. The result: focus on manipulated data and "Facts", which definitely are completely over embellished and ignoring the apparently significant numbers of environmentally conscious things the company does. And ignoring, or burying deep down, the reporting of most other aspects of the story.

4. Genuine impulse. Some of this reporting is true and is probably harming the environment. They definitely deserve some punishment. It's right for the media to call attention to them. Unfortunately, the true facts and the true problems - for the moment - hopelessly entangled with an unknown number of others factors used to drive this impulse. These others are probably some combination of multiple system wide failures and potentially dangerous defects associated with all car companies. The media is downplaying this because it would interfere with the selling of the events simply as a feel good save the environment story. Unfortunately, the liberal-left media's one-sided hystericization of the issues obstructs the ability of people to think clearly and develop effective answers to serious long term problems. Very soon, we will have the real truth in some of the other companies - IIRC Ford, Kia and Volvo - and we will see how people actually respond.
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
I am glad you asked, This is hardly an exhaustive list but here are some answers (in no particular order):

1. Long term automotive interests: the Americans, and their immediate co-conspirators the Asian Companies, even various European markets tend to have extreme competition. The big media in Europe often leans left-liberal. This is overwhelmingly true of the American media, often true of the British, and even the BBC - which is supposed to be neutral, and CNN in Europe. The performance of CNN has been beneath all criticism and downright entirely misleading in covering this story.

2. Long term economic interest: the big media are a part of the club of big international corporations in Europe. They - as big corporations often do - see the automotive market as a source of massive profits. The total investment to the various European countries is a different matter. Nevertheless, from their own perspective and for their own needs, big corporations often see the destruction of other national corporations as advantageous. These corporations have enormous influence in Brussels and on the media. Brussels, for anyone looking closely, has become center for failed politicians from all over Europe, many with leftist sympathies, and big multinational corporations and their lobbyists. There is not much left of the old European collectiveness. They have retained the appeal of leftist idealism (especially for those not looking too closely, or deliberately looking away), while being in bed day and night with the corporate world, from which they are claiming to be trying to protect the ordinary citizen. Brussels is a kind of poster child for this development. And the media serves as the public relations branch: complete with bought and paid for articles and stories to advance certain interests.

3. Hysteria sells. More people respond to emotional stimuli in the media than to rational arguments or to accurate information. Hence, the doling out of the story in such a way - and only in that way - to appeal almost entirely to the emotions of people, who actually know little and understand less of the serious and complex problems and issues involved, people who can be very easily manipulated by wild environmental “facts” evoking strong emotional responses. The result: focus on manipulated data and "Facts", which definitely are completely over embellished and ignoring the apparently significant numbers of environmentally conscious things the company does. And ignoring, or burying deep down, the reporting of most other aspects of the story.

4. Genuine impulse. Some of this reporting is true and is probably harming the environment. They definitely deserve some punishment. It's right for the media to call attention to them. Unfortunately, the true facts and the true problems - for the moment - hopelessly entangled with an unknown number of others factors used to drive this impulse. These others are probably some combination of multiple system wide failures and potentially dangerous defects associated with all car companies. The media is downplaying this because it would interfere with the selling of the events simply as a feel good save the environment story. Unfortunately, the liberal-left media's one-sided hystericization of the issues obstructs the ability of people to think clearly and develop effective answers to serious long term problems. Very soon, we will have the real truth in some of the other companies - IIRC Ford, Kia and Volvo - and we will see how people actually respond.
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So VW didn't deliberately design their systems to defraud the government and its consumers?
 
DistrictDeacon said:
So VW didn't deliberately design their systems to defraud the government and its consumers?
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it is a design issue, and automotive competition issue, and most likely an environmental protection overreaction - all mixed inextricably - for the moment - together, and the media reporting is distorting it into an overwhelmingly environmental protection overreaction
 
lbE08 said:
ummm...
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Solid work by TWMD.

That said, there are 11 million VWs affected by this. Compared to the amount of other cars on the road, especially from before OBDII standards were passed, and other industrial pollutants, this has about as much cumulative environmental impact as me farting.
 
I'm not defending them, I'm just amused that this issue is what people look at to criticize a company that was, again, founded by Hitler.
 
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