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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

RChildress107 said:
I think most people would agree with that point, but have moved on to talking about whether Manning will be a good coach for Wake Forest.

If he ends up being good it won't change the fact that Wellman made his second shitty hire in a row. But the fact that Manning was an objectively shitty hire doesn't negate the small positive signs he has demonstrated thus far.

I haven't seen anything that makes me believe Manning is going to be our next Skip or Odom (though I certainly am hopeful that he will be), but I have seen signs that Manning is capable of leaving the program in a significantly better spot than he found it.
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It would be almost impossible for that not to be the case and because of that it is not something on which I will judge any Wake Forest basketball coach.
 
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Deacsfan27 said:
Ben Howland @ Miss. State. They are awful this year, but will be really good next year with a top 5 recruiting class.
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So because two experienced recruiters with shady backgrounds pull in huge recruiting classes at SEC schools that becomes the expectation for what our third year coach should be pulling in at Wake Forest?
 
deacvision7 said:
It would be almost impossible for that not to be the case and because of that, it is not something on which I will judge any Wake Forest basketball coach.
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As long as you have moved on to actually judging Manning's performance at Wake then that's fine.

I think most people agree that Manning is a mixed-bag so far, but it just seems borderline petulant to claim there is no evidence that he might be a good coach for Wake.
 
Good means better than mediocre, right?

Yeah, I didn't really see evidence of that last season. I haven't watched a single minute of basketball this season though, so I cannot make any judgments on the first 3 games.
 
RChildress107 said:
So because two experienced recruiters with shady backgrounds pull in huge recruiting classes at SEC schools that becomes the expectation for what our third year coach should be pulling in at Wake Forest?
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Anyone who can bring a top 5 class to Starkville HAS to be doing something illegal.
 
Tin Cup said:
I dont think it would be a bad idea for Manning to find a former college HC to be one of his assistants - like Steve Robinson / Bobby Lutz / Larry Shyatt. Someone like that would bring a tremendous amount of in-game coaching experience that would go a long way to overcoming some of the problems.
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Bobby Lutz has removed his name from consideration.

Couldn't resist...
 
deacvision7 said:
Good means better than mediocre, right?

Yeah, I didn't really see evidence of that last season. I haven't watched a single minute of basketball this season though, so I cannot make any judgments on the first 3 games.
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And "could be good" does not mean "good right now".

I will say that Collins and Crawford are the best evidence I've seen so far. Can't remember a freshman guard at Wake with a better first three games than Crawford.
 
RChildress107 said:
I mean Pearl has always been known as an exceptional recruiter. And given Auburn's recent history he just landed an exceptional class. Finding the one outlier doesn't negate the point that an expected class for a P5 school with our track record the last 5 years is probably pretty similar to the 2016 class.
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How about three "outliers": Auburn, Mississippi State, Alabama. I chose Auburn because their recent history is very similarly bad to ours, it is hard to find examples of programs as bad as ours. You could add Arizona State, or St. John's to the list; there are several examples of other new coaches, I mean outliers, taking over struggling programs and bringing in great recruiting classes quickly.

2015 was a good class, better than expected even. 2016, on paper leaves a bit to be desired. It's only two years, (i.e., two data points) but you'd hope to see it trending upwards not downwards.
 
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the 2015 class was part of and extended honeymoon for manning. he could say "you know who i am. look what i was left with. this is where we are going." 2016 was the recruiting class of a coach with limited head coaching experience. his "shine" and potential got him in the door. in many cases it kept him around the party till closing time. in the end most of his top choices made a safer decision and he was left looking for a cab alone long after the bars closed. shaka would have called an uber.

can't blame the kids.

manning and the staff worked very hard.

ronnie is still responsible for the current situation.

hopefully manning can turn this around... the richmond game certainly did him no favors in the short term. i can only hope he finds a long term benefit.
 
Now talk shit about Danny Manning you opinionated jerks! Geez, seems to be doing a great job to me and I thing Indiana will 2nd that opinion..
 
redskins1 said:
Now talk shit about Danny Manning you opinionated jerks! Geez, seems to be doing a great job to me and I thing Indiana will 2nd that opinion..
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Really questionable to not put a man on the ball with 3.2 seconds left. Even if you deflect the jump ball, which we did, it could easily still end up in an opponent's hands for a junk jumper. I just think it is foolish to allow the inbounder a free look down the court. It worked out tonight, but it will still make me uneasy if we do that next time around in a similar situation.


Or we could just be irrational and SUPPORT OUR COACH no matter what he does or what decisions he makes. That's an option too, I suppose.
 
deacvision7 said:
Really questionable to not put a man on the ball with 3.2 seconds left. Even if you deflect the jump ball, which we did, it could easily still end up in an opponent's hands for a junk jumper. I just think it is foolish to allow the inbounder a free look down the court. It worked out tonight, but it will still make me uneasy if we do that next time around in a similar situation.


Or we could just be irrational and SUPPORT OUR COACH no matter what he does or what decisions he makes. That's an option too, I suppose.
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Arizona State just did the same thing.
 
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