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Good Bye Danny

Plenty of goobs on this board who know nothing about basketball but will complain about anything and everything. Who was the guy who said we should hire Tim Duncan as head coach and have Randolph and Mugsy as assistants?
 
CarlSpackler88 said:
Plenty of goobs on this board who know nothing about basketball but will complain about anything and everything. Who was the guy who said we should hire Tim Duncan as head coach and have Randolph and Mugsy as assistants?
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Isn't "he was a great player" pretty much the main argument many Wake fans have used to justify their believe that Manning will be a great coach? Given that line of thinking, that's the perfect coaching staff.

I'd personally be great with Childress leaving the Wake staff next time we change up head coaches. Either go somewhere else to get experience and prove himself capable or return to another job in the AD. We'll never truly know whether he's a good coach as long as he's at Wake because he's untouchable. Hiring famous alumni is just not good policy...especially not when it's done to insulate yourself from an upset fan base.
 
RacerDeac said:
Isn't "he was a great player" pretty much the main argument many Wake fans have used to justify their believe that Manning will be a great coach?
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No. There are plenty of reasons outside of his playing career to think that Manning could DEVELOP into a good, if not great coach. Most reasonable Wake fans recognize that. I also don't think anyone is saying Manning is currently a great coach, nor were they when he was hired.
 
RacerDeac said:
Isn't "he was a great player" pretty much the main argument many Wake fans have used to justify their believe that Manning will be a great coach? Given that line of thinking, that's the perfect coaching staff.

I'd personally be great with Childress leaving the Wake staff next time we change up head coaches. Either go somewhere else to get experience and prove himself capable or return to another job in the AD. We'll never truly know whether he's a good coach as long as he's at Wake because he's untouchable. Hiring famous alumni is just not good policy...especially not when it's done to insulate yourself from an upset fan base.
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Manning has pros and cons. Despite painting me and others as blind homers most people understand that. I'd be surprised if Manning being a great player is at the top of most people's list of pros though. Personally I think it says a lot about Manning's love of the game that he would spend 2002-2012 going from team manager to assistant coach. Someone posted a while back that he "used his name to become a head coach" but it's really the opposite. The list of big name coaches that spent the same or less time as assistants is, well, most of them. He paid his dues and by all reports was an excellent big man coach and solid assistant. He was successful at Tulsa - how much of that was his coaching is certainly debatable. If anything counts positively for him being a great player it's name recognition. We had a nobody loser as our coach and had fallen completely off the map - Danny Manning is a big name and at Wake in our situation I think that adds more value than usual. When we had a good start to the year I think the media coverage corroborated that.

Childress has always made me nervous as a coach and I actually wanted him gone with any and all coaches responsible for the [name redacted] years. I understand keeping him and it's just an assistant role so there's a limit to how much impact it can have, but I agree on that point and on the dangers of hiring famous alumni.
 
Trying to think of great college coaches who were great players in college/pros....

John Thompson, Jim Boeheim, Jim Laranaga, others ?

Those that failed....Sidney Lowe, Matt Doherty, others ?
 
DCDeac said:
Ha I was watching this with friends and actually said that someone on the boards would bitch about Crawford getting pulled right there even though it leveraged the TV timeout and a normal timeout to get him like 5 minutes of rest on less than a minute of game time.
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Fair points, but that may have been the hottest stretch any player on this team will have all year. Would have liked to see him stay in a little longer. Wouldn't have been unreasonable to let him play more than 11 minutes of game action in a row. Players do it all the time.
 
Tony Bennett was a great college player (he won the award for best college player in the country 6' or under. He played 3 years in the NBA. Larry Krystowiak (Utah), and Fred Hoiberg (Iowa St. - Bulls) were both great college players and solid NBA players. Coaching vagabond, Larry Brown was a big time college player at UNC, played on the US Olympic team, and was an ABA all-star. UCONN coach Kevin Ollie was a very good college player, and played a number of years in the NBA before winning a NC at UCONN as a coach. Steve Alford was a great college player, played for the US Olympic team and played in he NBA. Billy Donovan was a great college player at Providence, and played one year in the NBA.

In the NBA, there is a long list of good/great players that also were successful coaches: Steve Kerr, Larry Bird, KC Jones, Pat Riley, Bill Russell, Billy Cunningham.

Great basketball players can be great coaches, but obviously, great coaches don't need to be great players. People are grasping if they are legitimately claiming that Manning won't be a successful coach because he was a great player.
 
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And Tony Bennett only won 16 games in his 2nd year with Joe Harris (Cavs), Mike Scott (Hawks), Akil Mitchell (Rockets d legaue), and Mustapha Farrakhan (Bucks d league).

Like it or not we'll know whether Manning is a good coach in the next couple years. Posting Good Bye Danny because some guy who hadn't taken a 3 in conference play this year banked in a miracle is nuts.
 
When we have a good team, we won't lose games like we did in this one. Until then, there may be more, a lot more to come.
 
Pilchard said:
Tony Bennett was a great college player (he won the award for best college player in the country 6' or under. He played 3 years in the NBA. Larry Krystowiak (Utah), and Fred Hoiberg (Iowa St. - Bulls) were both great college players and solid NBA players. Coaching vagabond, Larry Brown was a big time college player at UNC, played on the US Olympic team, and was an ABA all-star. UCONN coach Kevin Ollie was a very good college player, and played a number of years in the NBA before winning a NC at UCONN as a coach. Steve Alford was a great college player, played for the US Olympic team and played in he NBA. Billy Donovan was a great college player at Providence, and played one year in the NBA.

In the NBA, there is a long list of good/great players that also were successful coaches: Steve Kerr, Larry Bird, KC Jones, Pat Riley, Bill Russell, Billy Cunningham.

Great basketball players can be great coaches, but obviously, great coaches don't need to be great players. People are grasping if they are legitimately claiming that Manning won't be a successful coach because he was a great player.
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Don't think anyone is saying. They are saying that Manning has a good chance of being a good coach at Wake because he was a great player and therefore understands the game and can use his past greatness to recruit great players. Haven't seen a ton of evidence for either postulate yet though.
 
Posted earlier in the thread, and I'm not sure anybody answered it.

DeaconSig said:
If you are going to be a good/great coach, you have to do one of these three things well (if not more):
1. Be a great in-game tactictian;
2. Be a great developer of players; or
3. Be a great recruiter.

Which one of these 3 is Coach Manning so far?
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RacerDeac said:
Isn't "he was a great player" pretty much the main argument many Wake fans have used to justify their believe that Manning will be a great coach? Given that line of thinking, that's the perfect coaching staff.

I'd personally be great with Childress leaving the Wake staff next time we change up head coaches. Either go somewhere else to get experience and prove himself capable or return to another job in the AD. We'll never truly know whether he's a good coach as long as he's at Wake because he's untouchable. Hiring famous alumni is just not good policy...especially not when it's done to insulate yourself from an upset fan base.
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Who cares what you think? Chill will likey be our next coach and will kick ass.
 
Greek, Doral, JC, Crawford. 4 studs so far. He's done pretty damn good in recruiting. The 2016 class is TBD.
 
DeaconSig said:
Posted earlier in the thread, and I'm not sure anybody answered it.
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All opinion,but here is my take:
At best I would say he is an ok recruiter. Hasn't brought in any stars but he seems to know how to construct a team.
He seems like a good game planner, especially when the opposing team has a dominant big, then he usually plans a good defensive strategy.
He seems to be a below average in game coach and fails to make adjustments and to get his players energized to play.
It's a little early to tell about his player development but it looks to be just ok. DT seems improved over last year, Codi has completely regressed but he was injured; Hudson is worse; Wilbekin is at best, the same as last year; Dinos has improved his rebounding; McLinton...geez; Collins, Crawford, and moore's play really can't be attributed to Manning's development because they've only been here 6 months.
 
I honestly forgot McClinton was still on the team. He has managed to play 23 minutes more than VanHorn and twice as many as Moore though. He starts 11 games, CMM returns, and he has around 60 minutes since. There are a lot of telling stats on the season stat sheet.
 
HONDO2 said:
Trying to think of great college coaches who were great players in college/pros....

John Thompson, Jim Boeheim, Jim Laranaga, others ?

Those that failed....Sidney Lowe, Matt Doherty, others ?
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Steve Spurrier!

Oh, you meant basketball. Nvm
 
DeaconSig said:
I think it will be 2. What will be sad is when certain assistants get axed over the next 2 offseason to protect the HC and the Wake legend.
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