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Wakeforest22890 said:
What's the least amount of money it would cost to round up 12 million people over any time period? You can pick the time period which you believe will decrease the overall costs the most.
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at what point for you does that cost outweigh the rule of law ?
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
You consistently post articles from The_Donald subreddit and are obtuse on roughly every single topic that is engaged in on these boards. You post opinion articles as if they are fact, post articles from obscure sites as if they are fact while rejecting articles from mainstream sites for being biased, and when confronted with facts or statistics that oppose your point of view you simply don't engage but find other opinion articles from more obscure sites to find another looney talking point to latch on to. In sum, you seem to be thoroughly detached from reality in most of your interactions on here. You seem like a nice enough guy, but it must be wild to spend a day in your head.
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I don't respond to many of the people on here because they're on my ignore list and I don't see their posts. And anyway, not every post directed at me is deserving of a response. Often the same issue has already been gone over many times and I decide it's pointless to continue the discussion. Sorry if that bothers you. Your obsession with me and my supposed reliance on The Donald is bizarre. I was banned from there early on because I'm a Bernie supporter and critical of Trump. Yes, I've posted memes from there. So what. I hate Clinton and they produce a lot of anti-Clinton memes. Remember you accusing me of getting info about some of the BLM protesters shouting "Fuck the police" off of The Donald and saying there was no credible source for it? I had no idea that had been posted on The Donald and heard that from a woman who was interviewed by the local news (I watched the local news coverage the night it happened). So it sounds like you're spending more time on The Donald than me.
 
Deacs89 said:
at what point for you does that cost outweigh the rule of law ?
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The only crime 98% of those have even committed is a misdemeanor. To spend hundreds of billions of dollars to round up and deport people and destroy families is a huge waste of money, effort and stained police assets.

It's ludicrous, wasteful and racist.
 
There was a solid week to ten days in a row where you posted an article on here that was in the top three to five threads on The_Donald and in almost all cases the article was from well off the beaten path of "mainstream" media sources. It's one hell of a coincidence. Furthermore, most of these were pro-Donald rather than being memes about Hillary or critical of Hillary so it's interesting that they kept popping up on here with any consistency. I started cross-checking after noticing a trend two or three days in a row. I don't regularly read The_Donald but I do peruse it occasionally to see what absurdities are coming out from Trump's camp.
 
LOL at bragging about being banned from a Subreddit. Why do you guys keep responding to that clown?
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Also, if the child is born in American (even as a child of an immigrant), then they have the exact same rights as you do. You can't deport somebody who is an American citizen because their parents came from a country that yielded terrorist attacks. That's blatantly unconstitutional.
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I didn't say otherwise, but the point is if their parents had been denied entry they would have been born in a Muslim country, not here. There is a problem with the children of recent immigrants carrying out these acts.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
I didn't say otherwise, but the point is if their parents had been denied entry they would have been born in a Muslim country, not here. There is a problem with the children of recent immigrants carrying out these acts.
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Which acts were done by children of immigrants born in other countries?

The Orlando shooter was from New York.

Look, if it's your opinion that we should violate First Amendment rights to freedom of religion and deport people from the United States who believe in Sharia Law, or are even children of immigrants who came from "terrorist" countries, then that's fine, but it is unconstitutional and brings up a lot of legal impediments beyond just rounding them up and shipping them out.
 
RJKarl said:
The only crime 98% of those have even committed is a misdemeanor. To spend hundreds of billions of dollars to round up and deport people and destroy families is a huge waste of money, effort and stained police assets.

It's ludicrous, wasteful and racist.
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if they could get amnesty but a caveat was they can never be able to vote in the US people like you wouldn't give a flying fuck.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
I didn't say otherwise, but the point is if their parents had been denied entry they would have been born in a Muslim country, not here. There is a problem with the children of recent immigrants carrying out these acts.
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Right, your statements just beg the question "on what grounds are we preventing immigrants from entering the country?" in this scenario? Are you saying stop immigration period, stop immigration for Muslims, stop immigration for people from countries with a large Muslim population? How do we as a nation prevent someone coming into the country and 30 years later their kid kills people?
 
Deacs89 said:
if they could get amnesty but a caveat was they can never be able to vote in the US people like you wouldn't give a flying fuck.
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This type of post is so fucking stupid. We want amnesty for illegals, same sex marriage and protections for LGBTQ, welfare and whatever bullshit for poor/poor black people. What exactly do you think we are trying to gain here? If the entire fucking liberal Democratic platform is all bribes, what the fuck do we elitist white liberals gain from it? Where does your dumbass vote buying conspiracy theory end up?
 
Deacs89 said:
if they could get amnesty but a caveat was they can never be able to vote in the US people like you wouldn't give a flying fuck.
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Do you understand that the W/McCain/Teddy plan would have taken about 12 years before anyone could apply for citizenship? Most of those who would be able
to qualify will have been here for 25-40 years by then. They will have had American citizen children and grandchildren.

Once again you are wrong about the voting and my position. Many, many times I have posted that we should have what much of Europe has- guest workers. Let people work here and go home if they want, but they would have to paid legally. Effectively, they would have permanent Green Cards. This would help our economy greatly.
 
The immigration camp seems to have two extremes, either the deport everyone camp or the amnesty for everyone camp and enforce laws which has been tried and doesn't work. There should be a middle ground, something like enforce laws and deportation of any illegal that is found to commit a crime no matter how little, if you really want the extreme camp on board make it even speeding over 10mph, basically anything however the reporting of crime or illegal status is not sole subject to deportation. That takes care of people to be model citizens, also speed the damn thing up its not that hard none of this catch release promise to appear stuff, just deport within the week.

To appease the amnesty crowd with this plan make a pathway to citizenship for anyone younger, make it so they have to join the military, graduate college, etc... Those are the kind of citizens we want, also make amnesty available to the model older citizens after x amount of years without any problems they become legal as well, make it a long time.

Finally after that's settled enforce all current laws, strength border but enhance legal work visas and such. If you are caught as an illegal after the implementation of the deport for all crimes and amnesty on that date you are never eligible and fall in the deport immediately camp.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Which acts were done by children of immigrants born in other countries?

The Orlando shooter was from New York.

Look, if it's your opinion that we should violate First Amendment rights to freedom of religion and deport people from the United States who believe in Sharia Law, or are even children of immigrants who came from "terrorist" countries, then that's fine, but it is unconstitutional and brings up a lot of legal impediments beyond just rounding them up and shipping them out.
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The Orlando shooter was born in New York, to parents from Afghanistan. I believe the Chattanooga shooter was also second generation but I could be wrong about that one. In Europe there have been many instances of second generation terrorists but I'm not your servant- do your own homework and look them up. Also, what part of "I didn't say otherwise" did you not understand? I'm not saying we should start deporting children who are American citizens. But I'm saying we should consider dramatically reducing the immigration from these countries.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
How much you wanna bet he was religiously motivated?
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It doesn't sound like he was particularly, outside of being angry at his life. I'm sure we'll find out more, but if he has any true ties to any organized terrorist organization I'll be surprised based on the early reports.
 
vadimivich said:
It doesn't sound like he was particularly, outside of being angry at his life. I'm sure we'll find out more, but if he has any true ties to any organized terrorist organization I'll be surprised based on the early reports.
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Along these lines, any crazy who loses it and commits a heinous act now has an out to make himself look important. This is true even if they have nothing to do with any group.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
The Orlando shooter was born in New York, to parents from Afghanistan. I believe the Chattanooga shooter was also second generation but I could be wrong about that one. In Europe there have been many instances of second generation terrorists but I'm not your servant- do your own homework and look them up. Also, what part of "I didn't say otherwise" did you not understand? I'm not saying we should start deporting children who are American citizens. But I'm saying we should consider dramatically reducing the immigration from these countries.
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Do a little homework yourself on the geo-political climate of Afghanistan in the 1980's and then we can talk about the Orlando shooter and how it may or may not fit into your theories on immigration.
 
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