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Tunnels Gun Rights Thread

tiltdeac said:
I'm pretty anti-gun, but would totally fine with using "ARs" or whatever to shoot at the range if the weapons were required to be left there.
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There's a store in Tampa that let's you shoot military style weapons under supervision in a 100 yard indoor range. It's fun. But you pay to use them for an hour. Of course you can't buy them (I'm talking about full auto). It's an over 18 program. No kids shooting machine guns of course.
 
Brangus said:
So in the unpopular opinions thread, I saw this statement:

I think all guns should be banned from America unless they are hunting rifles. Can't imagine why anybody would need a gun.

It's the unpopular opinions thread, so debating it there wasn't the right place. I can give a few examples as to when a gun is useful.

Three times when I was a kid we had break ins at the family home. Twice my father fired over the intruders head to run him out of the yard as he didn't flee the property when the flood lights came on. The third time Dad detained the burglar at gunpoint and he was arrested and incarcerated. (Yes my folks moved after that).

When I was in Miami for work I had a pistol in my suitcase. My hanging bag and other luggage (I was there to do a week of depositions) were still in the hall on the cart, so I propped the door with the bar latch. Big, big mistake. A large man on PCP (as was later determined) came through the door, told me I was "fucking his girl Tracy" and that he was going to kill me. I unzipped the duffle that was on the bed and pulled a small revolver. I was scared shitless but was ready to pull the trigger and told him I would shoot him if he came closer. He cursed me and took one step closer, allowing the door to close against the latch bar again. I cocked the revolver, used every curse word I knew, and told him to leave or I would kill him. He turned around, threw the door back open, pushed over my luggage cart, and busted the exit sign and stairway door on his way out. The cops caught him on a sidewalk down the street after I called 911. I had to testify, the whole deal. He spent 6 months locked up and is now on probation (he also resisted arrest pretty intensely).

I'm not telling this to be a tough guy. I was scared. But I think having the gun deterred him enough to keep from hurting me.
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My issue with gun rights is that while the story from your point of view sounds entirely rational and just, PCP guy can also get a gun. That's nuts.
 
jhmd2000 said:
A friend of mine (a lefty, FWIW) made an interesting observation: so long as the United States maintains its firearms policy, it is unconquerable by an outside power. The only way America ends is by consent or WMD.
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I think that has more to do with the fact that our military is $Texas larger than the rest of the world. Take them away, and you likely end up with a situation like the ME where a peaceful occupation is impossible, but you could certainly "conquer" the US.
 
Coach O said:
My issue with gun rights is that while the story from your point of view sounds entirely rational and just, PCP guy can also get a gun. That's nuts.
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I think gun shows need to go and we need universal background checks through qualified FFL holding vendors. Mental illness and people with no criminal record are an issue. But PCP guy was a previously convicted felon. If proper background check procedures were in place universally and there was a waiting period (even though background checks take 10 minutes or less now) PCP guy doesn't get a gun in that manner.

Waiting periods are important to let really pissed off people calm down but they are no longer necessary for background check completion.

I inherited a lot of handguns. Some were old and unsafe or I just didn't care about them. I sold the ones I didn't want to a gun store and locked up the nice ones. In Florida I could have legally sold them to another person off the books in a person to person transaction with no FFL. I don't like that either. And that is the way PCP guy could get a gun.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I think that has more to do with the fact that our military is $Texas larger than the rest of the world. Take them away, and you likely end up with a situation like the ME where a peaceful occupation is impossible, but you could certainly "conquer" the US.
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It's a silly distraction for a thread ostensibly about gun control. Does anyone really think in the 21st century there could be a large invasion of another country that has hundreds of nuclear weapons? Shit gets done now via political manipulation and cyber warfare. We spend billions on tanks and jets and meanwhile kids with laptops do more damage to our country than any military machine could hope to do.
 
DEACisGO said:
It's a silly distraction for a thread ostensibly about gun control. Does anyone really think in the 21st century there could be a large invasion of another country that has hundreds of nuclear weapons? Shit gets done now via political manipulation and cyber warfare. We spend billions on tanks and jets and meanwhile kids with laptops do more damage to our country than any military machine could hope to do.
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na, it's your uncle and his shitty Walmart mossberg that's keeping the Russians at bay
 
So Brangus, did you keep fuckin' his girl Tracy or did it stop after that?
 
Here are some ideas I've posted before that I don't why anyone would take issue with:

1. Background checks on 100% of transfers of ownership of any gun or rifle. Even if you give one you own to a relative there has to be a background check.
2. Ban magazines, clips, drums that hold more than 12 rounds.
3. Limit multiple sales of guns/rifles with the exceptions of licensed security companies and antique collections. There's no reason a person needs to buy more one or two guns in a month.
4. Registration of every gun/rifle. This in way limits your right to own a gun.
5. Gun classes for every purchase of a gun/rifle. You can get an exemption if you have taken the course within the past eighteen months.
6. Every gun owner must have liability insurance. You have to have insurance for basically everything else. There's no reason not to have it for guns/rifles.
 
DEACisGO said:
It's a silly distraction for a thread ostensibly about gun control. Does anyone really think in the 21st century there could be a large invasion of another country that has hundreds of nuclear weapons? Shit gets done now via political manipulation and cyber warfare. We spend billions on tanks and jets and meanwhile kids with laptops do more damage to our country than any military machine could hope to do.
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Also the concept that if the government knows where guns are, it will make you less safe. In the 21st century, if the government wants to get you, a pimply-faced kid can send a drone.
 
RJKarl said:
Here are some ideas I've posted before that I don't why anyone would take issue with:

1. Background checks on 100% of transfers of ownership of any gun or rifle. Even if you give one you own to a relative there has to be a background check.
2. Ban magazines, clips, drums that hold more than 12 rounds.
3. Limit multiple sales of guns/rifles with the exceptions of licensed security companies and antique collections. There's no reason a person needs to buy more one or two guns in a month.
4. Registration of every gun/rifle. This in way limits your right to own a gun.
5. Gun classes for every purchase of a gun/rifle. You can get an exemption if you have taken the course within the past eighteen months.
6. Every gun owner must have liability insurance. You have to have insurance for basically everything else. There's no reason not to have it for guns/rifles.
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lol, good one, RJ
 
Maybe I should have added "anyone who is at all interested in reasonable gun laws"
 
PhDeac said:
So Brangus, did you keep fuckin' his girl Tracy or did it stop after that?
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Never met her. Didn't need her. I had a Cuban hooker hiding in the closet.

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RJKarl said:
Here are some ideas I've posted before that I don't why anyone would take issue with:

1. Background checks on 100% of transfers of ownership of any gun or rifle. Even if you give one you own to a relative there has to be a background check.
2. Ban magazines, clips, drums that hold more than 12 rounds.
3. Limit multiple sales of guns/rifles with the exceptions of licensed security companies and antique collections. There's no reason a person needs to buy more one or two guns in a month.
4. Registration of every gun/rifle. This in way limits your right to own a gun.
5. Gun classes for every purchase of a gun/rifle. You can get an exemption if you have taken the course within the past eighteen months.
6. Every gun owner must have liability insurance. You have to have insurance for basically everything else. There's no reason not to have it for guns/rifles.
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3, 5 and 6 are non starters.

If I want to buy three shotguns in a month who are you to say?

One gun class after 16 years of age. Done. Should include a field or range instruction process.

You DON'T have to have liability insurance for much of anything else except your car or your house if you have a mortgage. It's a good idea if you have assets but not required to live most aspects of life.

Just have transfers done through an FFL who can do the background check, including inherited firearms which show up on tangible personal property inventories anyway unless you're breaking the law, which people will always do.
 
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There's nothing in the 2nd Amendment that says you can own a limitless number of guns. There's no difference whether you buy three shotguns over a two months or all at once. By limiting the number of production guns/rifles, we could dramatically limit straw purchases and illegal resales.

As to #5, you have to take driving tests more once thanm in your life. The amount of time could be 3-5 years. Or maybe a proficiency test over that period. How about also having to train of different types of guns? If have certification on a handgun and buy a rifle/shotgun, you have to take that class.

But you DO have to have car and home insurance. Guns/rifles can kill and maim and have accidents. There's no reason not to require insurance. Again, this does not limit your right to keep and bear arms.
 
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