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Roughly 3 weeks into Trump as PEOTUS...

TownieDeac said:
Get used to it. The "I didn't vote for Trump" camp is going to be carrying his water for the next 4 years.
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To be fair, a lot of us carried Hillary's water around here for a few months but found her pretty repugnant all along.
 
Hillary would have been a check and balance against a right-wing congress and would be behaving in a much more conventional manner.

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I've been debating whether a Trump presidency will actually bring the country together more than a Hillary one would have. For practically the entire social media age there has been a democratic president who has just been getting lambasted by the 24-7 news cycle, and it created the ridiculous and radical media outlets that we have today. Republicans needed to see what it's like and balance needed to be restored. Unfortunately, we don't have a Republican, we have Trump. His whiny, petulant, abrasive rhetoric is exactly what the country and media did not need. He emboldens the worst of the worst outlets, and discredits major media.
 
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Demonwolverine said:
I've been debating whether a Trump presidency will actually bring the country together more than a Hillary one would have. For practically the entire social media age there has been a democratic president who has just been getting lambasted by the 24-7 news cycle, and it created the ridiculous and radical media outlets that we have today. Republicans needed to see what it's like and balance needed to be restored. Unfortunately, we don't have a Republican, we have Trump. His whiny, petulant, abrasive rhetoric is exactly what the country and media did not need. He emboldens the worst of the worst outlets, and discredits major media.
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Any thoughts of "giving him a chance" have been blown up by his ridiculous appointments, victory lap tour, inane tweets, and head shaking actions (Kanye).
 
Demonwolverine said:
I've been debating whether a Trump presidency will actually bring the country together more than a Hillary one would have. For practically the entire social media age there has been a democratic president who has just been getting lambasted by the 24-7 news cycle, and it created the ridiculous and radical media outlets that we have today. Republicans needed to see what it's like and balance needed to be restored. Unfortunately, we don't have a Republican, we have Trump. His whiny, petulant, abrasive rhetoric is exactly what the country and media did not need. He emboldens the worst of the worst outlets, and discredits major media.
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Republicans would see a Republican getting the level of scorn Obama and Hillary have gotten as "balance."

They didn't with W.
 
Skydog Deac said:
Any thoughts of "giving him a chance" have been blown up by his ridiculous appointments, victory lap tour, inane tweets, and head shaking actions (Kanye).
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The problem is, and I've said this before, his supporters for the most part do not care about what promises he is or is not keeping, how qualified his appointees are, or even what departments he decides to flip on their heads. They trust him incessantly to MAGA. They don't know what that means, or how to accomplish it, but Trump has sold them on the notion that they will know it when they experience it.

What's even more dangerous, is that he has pointed his supporters to media outlets that will say "America is great again!" literally no matter what he does. Even if it is something as intrinsically wrong as murdering someone on 5th Avenue.

In talking to my friend who I feel represents Trump's stereotypical base, he doesn't understand that almost EVERY political achievement comes at the expense of something else, and the media outlet you listen to will guide you either to the achievement aspect of the action, or the expense. It's as simple as "there are 2 sides to every coin" but it doesn't seem to sink in.
 
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Putting politics aside, nothing so far has changed my opinion that Donald Trump is enamored with fame and adoration, yet was/is not really interested in the job of President and is ill-equipped for it. He still, by my reading of his actions, doesn't care much for the details of such an important job and is lazily approaching the monumental task of team-building and focus. He is a true populist and a snake-oil salesman (carrier deal, Boeing comments) and a pitchman for his own cockamamie ideas (and Steve Bannons), mainly.

I would assume many of us here work with high-level executives/leaders on a daily basis in corporations and law firms and hospitals. Ive worked with shitty leaders and with good leaders, and the qualities of each become more and more recognizable the longer you are around them. Trump consistently displays the characteristics of the former.
 
WakeandBake said:
Clown show continues. Meeting with Kanye West? Trump, man :rulz:
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Don't fall for it. The Kanye meeting was a distraction from his Exxon/Mobile Secretary of State appointment and the delayed release of his personal finances plan.
 
WakeandBake said:
Putting politics aside, nothing so far has changed my opinion that Donald Trump is enamored with fame and adoration, yet was/is not really interested in the job of President and is ill-equipped for it. He still, by my reading of his actions, doesn't care much for the details of such an important job and is lazily approaching the monumental task of team-building and focus. He is a true populist and a snake-oil salesman (carrier deal, Boeing comments) and a pitchman for his own cockamamie ideas (and Steve Bannons), mainly.

I would assume many of us here work with high-level executives/leaders on a daily basis in corporations and law firms and hospitals. Ive worked with shitty leaders and with good leaders, and the qualities of each become more and more recognizable the longer you are around them. Trump consistently displays the characteristics of the former.
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Yes, he yearns for that adoration. So how does he plan to govern and gain that adoration? So far, his appointments show that he is completely kowtowing to the Christian Right and oil interests and has a complete disdain for environmental concerns. But at the end of the day, it's not like that will make him popular across the country. In order to do that, the 1 thing he really has to deliver on is jobs because his business acumen is what his supporters have really been relying on. Getting into tariff wars with China wouldn't help in that regard. But cutting taxes and increasing defense and infrastructure spending would. That's becoming my new theory now that he's PEOTUS. Try to stimulate growth for the next few years and run up massive deficits in the interim. Will a Pub congress go along with that? And will the Fed go along with that without raising interest rates? Remains to be seen. But I do think that's his plan to make himself popular.
 
Demonwolverine said:
The problem is, and I've said this before, his supporters for the most part do not care about what promises he is or is not keeping, how qualified his appointees are, or even what departments he decides to flip on their heads. They trust him incessantly to MAGA. They don't know what that means, or how to accomplish it, but Trump has sold them on the notion that they will know it when they experience it.

What's even more dangerous, is that he has pointed his supporters to media outlets that will say "America is great again!" literally no matter what he does. Even if it is something as intrinsically wrong as murdering someone on 5th Avenue.

In talking to my friend who I feel represents Trump's stereotypical base, he doesn't understand that almost EVERY political achievement comes at the expense of something else, and the media outlet you listen to will guide you either to the achievement aspect of the action, or the expense. It's as simple as "there are 2 sides to every coin" but it doesn't seem to sink in.
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I think it's possible Trump's supporters think he has already fulfilled his MAGA promise by replacing Obama and defeating Hillary.
 
He looks to be a real bad hire by the citizens of Wisconsin and Michigan. Fortunately, its a contract position.
 
cville deac said:
Yes, he yearns for that adoration. So how does he plan to govern and gain that adoration? So far, his appointments show that he is completely kowtowing to the Christian Right and oil interests and has a complete disdain for environmental concerns. But at the end of the day, it's not like that will make him popular across the country. In order to do that, the 1 thing he really has to deliver on is jobs because his business acumen is what his supporters have really been relying on. Getting into tariff wars with China wouldn't help in that regard. But cutting taxes and increasing defense and infrastructure spending would. That's becoming my new theory now that he's PEOTUS. Try to stimulate growth for the next few years and run up massive deficits in the interim. Will a Pub congress go along with that? And will the Fed go along with that without raising interest rates? Remains to be seen. But I do think that's his plan to make himself popular.
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Lower taxes is snake-oil. In the abstract, who doesn't want lower taxes? Corporations are sitting on gobs of money and profits are high. I work for a corporation who sells to the largest food corporations in the world. I'm not shit, but I sit in on meetings and hear the projections and the reasons why some are up and some are down, and it has nothing to do with tax rates for the corps or for consumers. "Lower taxes to create jobs" is a bunch of hooey, IMO. We enjoy very low taxes right now, so again I think there may be a slight uptick in jobs based on consumer confidence from such an announcement but its horseshit.

#ITGuyTriesToTalkEconomics
 
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TownieDeac said:
I suspect the situation would be very similar right now if she'd been elected. Center-left leaning folks would be saying "let's just give her a chance" and excusing the nonsense.
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I don't think so.

Any "nonsense" from a PEOTUS Hillary would have been policy or transparency related.

On the policy front I think most of the Bernie/reluctant Hillary supporters would have called her out if her cabinet appointments signaled a return to the center. The republicans in congress and the right in general likely would have continued their doublespeak of "she's a far left liberal who's policies will be a disaster, but she's also in bed with Wall Street and will betray her base at the first chance she gets."

On the transparency front I think both the left and right would hit her fairly hard if she indicated she hadn't learned anything from past mistakes.
 
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