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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

At the end of the day were 44 in kenpom, we hung and could have beat 4 top50 kenpom teams with 3 being on the road. Gotta remember our team leaders are sophmores. Yea Mannings not perfect but hes gettin us back on the right track regardless of what some of you say. Every game other than Nova was a toss up that we could have won. Step off the ledge folks.
 
Our team leaders were seniors last year. Doesn't matter.
 
BigDeac8 said:
At the end of the day were 44 in kenpom, we hung and could have beat 4 top50 kenpom teams with 3 being on the road. Gotta remember our team leaders are sophmores. Yea Mannings not perfect but hes gettin us back on the right track regardless of what some of you say. Every game other than Nova was a toss up that we could have won. Step off the ledge folks.
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Do you think we will make the NCAA this year or next?
 
Look this year is possible, we could finish 9-7 in ACC play, we are capable of beating anyone.
 
BigDeac8 said:
At the end of the day were 44 in kenpom, we hung and could have beat 4 top50 kenpom teams with 3 being on the road. Gotta remember our team leaders are sophmores. Yea Mannings not perfect but hes gettin us back on the right track regardless of what some of you say. Every game other than Nova was a toss up that we could have won. Step off the ledge folks.
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We are in the 7th year of a collapse of a college basketball program that had been very competitive in one of the best conferences in college basketball. We have an athletic department that is intentionally trying to distance itself from the fan base. The one thing we do not need to do is step back from the ledge. Quite the opposite. We need to start throwing people over the ledge until we get some changes.
 
BigDeac8 said:
Look this year is possible, we could finish 9-7 in ACC play, we are capable of beating anyone.
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No, he asked if you think we will make the NCAA this year or next. If you're going to tell us to "step off the ledge," then you can give a straight answer to that question. Do you, and if so, which year?

Weary of the lectures from fellow Wake fans about our basketball enterprise. Their legitimacy has worn thin.
 
Honestly, with a 7-33 ACC record and several game where the team has just frozen and choked up, including two epic meltdowns in the past two years, Manning has little credibility right now. The only way to gain credibility is for the team to finally start performing under pressure in conference play and getting some wins. Another meltdown like last year and his seat will be very warm.
 
BigDeac8 said:
At the end of the day were 44 in kenpom, we hung and could have beat 4 top50 kenpom teams with 3 being on the road. Gotta remember our team leaders are sophmores. Yea Mannings not perfect but hes gettin us back on the right track regardless of what some of you say. Every game other than Nova was a toss up that we could have won. Step off the ledge folks.
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Right on track to match or slightly edge out the worst hire in ACC history. I agree with the poster who is ready to throw people off the edge.

Closing your eyes and pretending is not an answer.
 
Considering the death penalty [Redacted] was, any coach coming into this shit situation should be on a 3rd year NIT, 4th year NCAA expectation schedule. That's not to say a great coach couldn't get it done earlier, but even Tony Bennett only made the NCAA's once in his first 4 years at UVA.

Manning's getting a bit of a raw deal here due to the strength of the ACC. This team is worlds better than year 3 [Redacted] and should only improve next year. Compare that to [Redacted] riding a senior Travis McKie that he didn't recruit then having 3 transfers once he got another year... I get that fans are bitter and disenfranchised, but the overwhelming negativity based on one loss at home to a solid Clemson team is pretty crazy. I mean, win 2 of the next 3 and we're right back on pace for most people's expectations. And what's worse - 36 minutes of great basketball followed by a freakish meltdown or something like what Duke and UNC put up - 40 minutes of bad basketball resulting in big upsets?

I realize I'm one of the more optimistic posters on the boards, and I'll always subscribe to the "players win games, coaches build teams" philosophy so I'll never buy into heaping losses like Clemson on a couple Manning decisions - but the starting 5 next year has huge potential, and this year is far from over. The recruiting effort has seen a big uptick minus the Giles fiasco that torpedoed this year's class.

That being said, I'm extremely curious about how the team responds to that loss. I'd love to see a BC drubbing at home where we keep defensive pressure on them all game. Could also see us coming out tight and missing a bunch of shots early, then folding again during crunch time to pretty much destroy any hope we're still harboring for this season. Odd to say but BC at home might be Manning's biggest game of his career to date.
 
DC, Tony Bennett came to UVA with multiple, quality, experienced 4* players. We didn't just have a bare cupboard. We had an immense amount of negativity out there against us and a non-existent recruiting base from which to grow because of that. Plus we had a limited number of scholarships.

It could easily be argued that Wake was in worse condition than it had been for 40-50 years in an improving ACC.
 
DCDeac said:
Considering the death penalty [name redacted] was, any coach coming into this shit situation should be on a 3rd year NIT, 4th year NCAA expectation schedule. That's not to say a great coach couldn't get it done earlier, but even Tony Bennett only made the NCAA's once in his first 4 years at UVA.

Manning's getting a bit of a raw deal here due to the strength of the ACC. This team is worlds better than year 3 [name redacted] and should only improve next year. Compare that to [name redacted] riding a senior Travis McKie that he didn't recruit then having 3 transfers once he got another year... I get that fans are bitter and disenfranchised, but the overwhelming negativity based on one loss at home to a solid Clemson team is pretty crazy. I mean, win 2 of the next 3 and we're right back on pace for most people's expectations. And what's worse - 36 minutes of great basketball followed by a freakish meltdown or something like what Duke and UNC put up - 40 minutes of bad basketball resulting in big upsets?

I realize I'm one of the more optimistic posters on the boards, and I'll always subscribe to the "players win games, coaches build teams" philosophy so I'll never buy into heaping losses like Clemson on a couple Manning decisions - but the starting 5 next year has huge potential, and this year is far from over. The recruiting effort has seen a big uptick minus the Giles fiasco that torpedoed this year's class.

That being said, I'm extremely curious about how the team responds to that loss. I'd love to see a BC drubbing at home where we keep defensive pressure on them all game. Could also see us coming out tight and missing a bunch of shots early, then folding again during crunch time to pretty much destroy any hope we're still harboring for this season. Odd to say but BC at home might be Manning's biggest game of his career to date.
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Gee, this post sounds a whole lot like:

DCDeac said:
[name redacted] sure reminds me of Odom who went 3-11 his first year. He gets 3 years to prove it. Looking at a single year when we knew we'd suck anyway even before losing our only point guard and starting center, and rushing to these set-in-stone judgments is ridiculous though.
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DCDeac said:
I love these types of comments that reflect on our season as if [name redacted] was out there bricking 3 pointers.

It was his first year, and it was a known rebuilding year. He was dealt a team so short on talent that they couldn't beat Stetson early in the year when they were just running basic sets. Nobody would get fired in that situation.
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You defended the guy whom you now label as a death penalty. You have no credibility whatsoever.
 
Ouch. The DCDeac Credibility Watch just started and it's not pretty.
 
Buttermaker said:
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wf...cle_b833f013-3533-5b66-a4b3-b1cfc63e33a4.html

Good article by Bret Strelow. Note Woods' comment at the end.
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“It’s the same thing that happened last year with us,” Wake guard Keyshawn Woods said. “We’d be up and lose it at the end because we can’t be disciplined enough, so it’s been a pattern for us here at Wake Forest for the past two years."
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I tuned in (for once) during the Xavier game, watched our play and remarked "this team lacks discipline, as usual". Suddenly several prominent board personages posted to LOL at me saying I knew nothing about this team and that it was perfectly "disciplined". (Note I'm not mentioning names.) Now you have players on the team saying they can't be disciplined.. LOLLERS?

The conventional wisdom on this board, the groupthink, knows very little for all the "analysis" they attempt to provide. And the ridicule that others get for their candor -- which is often a correct take (or at least honest) -- is laughable itself. This board needs to get over itself and stop thinking it "knows" everything it thinks it knows about sports. No one has all the answers, certainly not me. But a little more tolerance for "other hot takes" would be a more becoming look for this place.
 
You should go back and look at that thread because you are imagining things.

One poster had a reply to your discipline comments.

Somebody did reply LOL when you said we had no outside shooting and somebody else replied that we were 3rd in the ACC in 3P FG%(now 4th).
 
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