London attack

[jhmd2000]

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

And please dont test my intelligence by labeling every partisan asshole with an opinion piece as being representative of their media company.

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[WakeandBake]

So you're saying prayer certaily isn't the answer

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Having said that, your assertion places even more blame on Islam.

Islam is an excuse. Many of these terrorists are very recently radicalized and most are extremely ignorant of their own religion. It's not upset scholars who are driving trucks into crowds or strapping bombs to themselves

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[PhDeac]

Ok, point conceded, most of my reading is from post 9/11 Thomas Friedman. He presented and defended the thesis that guys like Bin Laden attracted followers from economically marginalized walks of life. Having said that, your assertion places even more blame on Islam.

I don't see it. "Ignorant, self radicalized small groups of relatively young wealthy men" with a "shallow combination of cheap religious conviction and political outrage" cause trouble regardless of their religion.

And what MDMH just said.

 

[jhmd2000]

Islam is an excuse. Many of these terrorists are very recently radicalized and most are extremely ignorant of their own religion. It's not upset scholars who are driving trucks into crowds or strapping bombs to themselves

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No, but they're absolutely planning the strikes.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed: At age sixteen, he joined the Muslim Brotherhood.[16] After graduating from high school in 1983, Mohammad travelled to the United States and enrolled in Chowan University in Murfreesboro, North Carolina. He later transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University and received a Bachelor of Science (BS) in mechanical engineering in 1986.

OBL: was born to the family of billionaire Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden in Saudi Arabia. He studied at university in the country until 1979, when he joined Mujahideen forces in Pakistan fighting against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

 

[RJKarl]

It that good?

It's an insult and a load of crap. RULZ was a redneck racist. One time he said his son would "know better" than to bring a black girl home with him and that "birds of a feather" should marry and worse.

Moon owes you an apology.

 

[tintinisahottie]

Of course thats what the Islamic State says, what do you expect them to say? The official policy of ISIS has very little connection to the motivations of self rasicalized nutjobs, usually raised in secular society, who live 1000 miles from the nearest training facility.

Can you delve deeper into how they "self" radicalize? Presumably since you seem to disagree that the Koran inspires violence, you don't think they're just sitting there reading the Koran to themselves. It seems they read, learn from, listen to, and/or are inspired by ISIS or similar radicals, no? So it's important what ISIS itself says about their intentions and their reasons

 

[marquee moon]

Kill em all

 

[WakeandBake]

Can you delve deeper into how they "self" radicalize? Presumably since you seem to disagree that the Koran inspires violence, you don't think they're just sitting there reading the Koran to themselves. It seems they read, learn from, listen to, and/or are inspired by ISIS or similar radicals, no? So it's important what ISIS itself says about their intentions and their reasons

What motivated the IRA to use terrorist attacks in the UK?

 

[PhDeac]

The "I" stands for Islam right?

 

[dartsndeacs]

Just send everyone related to an attacker to life in prison. Problem solved.


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[ImTheCaptain]

What motivated the IRA to use terrorist attacks in the UK?

Someday a right winger will answer you. Probably.

 

[birdman]

What motivated the IRA to use terrorist attacks in the UK?

The IRA would plant bombs on the tube then call the Police and say "there is a bomb at one of 4 stations and it will go off in an hour, have fun finding it" thus giving the police a chance to evacuate and maybe even find the bomb. They blew up London's financial on a Sunday when they knew know one would be there. They definitely killed lots of people, but there objectives were to maximize political impact, not kill the most people possible. I lived in London from 88 til 92, I was caught in a Baker Street bomb scare and the building across the street from my dad's office was blown up on a Sunday...the IRA was a totally different beast.

 

[tintinisahottie]

What motivated the IRA to use terrorist attacks in the UK?

we can go ahead and call the IRA an enemy of the west too, that's fine with me. To answer the question though iirc it was to separate Northern Ireland from GB, 20 years ago

 

[Strickland33]

we can go ahead and call the IRA an enemy of the west too, that's fine with me. To answer the question though iirc it was to separate Northern Ireland from GB, 20 years ago

The reality is that each terrorist movement is different in its origins and motivations, but it seems like colonialism (and policies that are functionally extensions of colonialism) is a fundamental cause of terrorist activity. Western imperialist intervention in Arab nations seems to fit the bill. Drone strikes, Western-funded militias and repressive governments, and the petrol-capital apparatus level cities, impoverish generations, and wipe out the public sphere, which produces the terrorists (and sympathetic mindset) that will someday attack the West on its own turf, etc. etc. etc.

That narrative feels a bit different from what is currently happening, though, and may be giving groups like ISIS and Boko Haram (who are arguably worse than ISIS) too much credit for what actually seems more like a culture war.

While the right isn't willing to admit that there are consequences to decades of brutal foreign policy (that persist in the interest of capital as much as it does in the interest of peace and stability), the left isn't willing to consider the reality that the messenger/message is different from the terrorism that emerged from the post-colonial-era. Both perspectives get us to this point, IMO.

ETA: and re: tintin's post that I quoted - the "West," generally speaking, needs to stop creating its own enemies

 

[Sgt Hulka]

To equate the IRA with Isis might be the stupidest thing ever posted on the boards. And that is saying something.

 

[Sgt Hulka]

To equate the IRA with Isis might be the stupidest thing ever posted on the boards. And that is saying something.

ETA I take that back, because RJK has been posting for quite some time. Rulz was here for a while and Ph is still posting....(Tiger pulled over and put his keys away....)

 

[tintinisahottie]

The reality is that each terrorist movement is different in its origins and motivations, but it seems like colonialism (and policies that are functionally extensions of colonialism) is a fundamental cause of terrorist activity. Western imperialist intervention in Arab nations seems to fit the bill. Drone strikes, Western-funded militias and repressive governments, and the petrol-capital apparatus level cities, impoverish generations, and wipe out the public sphere, which produces the terrorists (and sympathetic mindset) that will someday attack the West on its own turf, etc. etc. etc.

That narrative feels a bit different from what is currently happening, though, and may be giving groups like ISIS and Boko Haram (who are arguably worse than ISIS) too much credit for what actually seems more like a culture war.

While the right isn't willing to admit that there are consequences to decades of brutal foreign policy (that persist in the interest of capital as much as it does in the interest of peace and stability), the left isn't willing to consider the reality that the messenger/message is different from the terrorism that emerged from the post-colonial-era. Both perspectives get us to this point, IMO.

ETA: and re: tintin's post that I quoted - the "West," generally speaking, needs to stop creating its own enemies

And what do you say to this?

Furthermore, the Labour leader’s linkage of western foreign policy to terrorist acts is psychologically convenient but unsupported by the stated priorities of the jihadis themselves. In July 2016 Islamic State was unequivocal: “The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam.”

 

[ImTheCaptain]

IRA is ok because they're not Muslim. Got it.