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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

DistrictDeacon said:
How many did times did that poll show that the ACA was unpopular with the majority of adults? I'll hang up and listen to your answer off line.
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Uh....dude? Do you know how polls work? Nearly the entire time. July 2014 has a 53% "unfavorable" to 37% "favorable" rating among "all adults."
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
Nobody knows what they have until it's gone or almost out the door.
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Yes, absolutely. If we get the 20% increase that is expected next year in VA and no more subsidies, I'll have to pay twice what I'm paying now to cover myself and my 1 assistant.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Uh....dude? Do you know how polls work? Nearly the entire time. July 2014 has a 53% "unfavorable" to 37% "favorable" rating among "all adults."
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And that had absolutely nothing to do with a 5-year campaign by the GOP to lie about the ACA and demonize it.
 
pretty clear the trough was during the election cycle and the increase started when it became clear what the republicans were going to cut
 
So if the ACA was so bad, just accept it for argument sake it's awful fuck it, the average approval is like 40% in its lifetime. The answer is to put into place a plan that has a 15% approval rate, solid logic.
 
DistrictDeacon said:
So how many times did the majority say it was unpopular?
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the majority of those who either "approved" or "disapproved" disapproved in every single poll the KFF tracked in from 2013 through March of 2015, and a majority of all other polls
 
ACA was a brilliant political move by Obama to slip in yet another Democratic entitlement program for potential gains in Democrat votes. And that's all it always was....a political move. It was never about healthcare from the beginning. Never did a thing to lower the cost of healthcare. It was just another entitlement to add a benefit for tens of millions of people...without any idea or concern as to how it would be paid for...who would then be more likely to support the Democratic Party.

Obama knew that once you give people something....even if you knew there was no way to pay for what you were doing....that when the inevitable time came for the bill to be paid, anyone who tried to inject fiscal sanity into the situation (read: Republicans) would be placed in a terrible political situation.

As I have said, it's hard to run against Santa Claus (AKA The Democratic Party for many years now.)
 
Hard to say something is "mostly unpopular" when less than 50% of people think its unpopular.
 
bobknightfan said:
ACA was a brilliant political move by Obama to slip in yet another Democratic entitlement program for potential gains in Democrat votes. And that's all it always was....a political move. It was never about healthcare from the beginning. Never did a thing to lower the cost of healthcare. It was just another entitlement to add a benefit for tens of millions of people...without any idea or concern as to how it would be paid for...who would then be more likely to support the Democratic Party.

Obama knew that once you give people something....even if you knew there was no way to pay for what you were doing....that when the inevitable time came for the bill to be paid, anyone who tried to inject fiscal sanity into the situation (read: Republicans) would be placed in a terrible political situation.

As I have said, it's hard to run against Santa Claus (AKA The Democratic Party for many years now.)
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In your world, does "fiscal sanity" mean tax cuts for the 1%?
 
Still waiting on an answer to replacing a program with ,at the low end, an approval rating of 40% for a program with an approval rating of 15%.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Still waiting on an answer to replacing a program with ,at the low end, an approval rating of 40% for a program with an approval rating of 15%.
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Hope you're not waiting for me. As I said, I could get hammered as a solo practitioner. But 1 of my friends, who is also a solo, will have it worse because his wife recently had brain surgery to take out a tumor. She has a lot of ongoing checkups, and his family coverage is astronomical now. He's considering changing jobs to go work for a large employer just for the saner health coverage.
 
DistrictDeacon said:
Hard to say something is "mostly unpopular" when less than 50% of people think its unpopular.
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But it is very easy to say that when for 7 consecutive years, a majority of people did not approve of it. Which is what happened with ACA. Let's not act like we don't have an active link on this thread that proves this fact.
 
bobknightfan said:
ACA was a brilliant political move by Obama to slip in yet another Democratic entitlement program for potential gains in Democrat votes. And that's all it always was....a political move. It was never about healthcare from the beginning. Never did a thing to lower the cost of healthcare. It was just another entitlement to add a benefit for tens of millions of people...without any idea or concern as to how it would be paid for...who would then be more likely to support the Democratic Party.

Obama knew that once you give people something....even if you knew there was no way to pay for what you were doing....that when the inevitable time came for the bill to be paid, anyone who tried to inject fiscal sanity into the situation (read: Republicans) would be placed in a terrible political situation.

As I have said, it's hard to run against Santa Claus (AKA The Democratic Party for many years now.)
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I'm starting to join those worried that BKF is experiencing senility.
 
jhmd2000 said:
But it is very easy to say that when for 7 consecutive years, a majority of people did not approve of it. Which is what happened with ACA. Let's not act like we don't have an active link on this thread that proves this fact.
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Hard to have a discussion with someone who doesn't know the definition of the word majority.
 
jhmd2000 said:
But it is very easy to say that when for 7 consecutive years, a majority of people did not approve of it. Which is what happened with ACA. Let's not act like we don't have an active link on this thread that proves this fact.
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Let's do something people like even less! How low can you go?
 
TWDeac said:
Can someone summarize why Pelosi is so villified by the right? I rarely paid much attention to politics before 2015 so I'd genuinely like to know.
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At this stage there is nothing to "villify". Pelosi acts and sounds like a blubbering idiot more often than not these days. She doesn't speak in coherent sentences very often. It's like having Dan Quayle's mouth on steroids being the standard bearer of your party. She makes the Dems look nonsensical at this stage.
 
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