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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

RChildress107 said:
This is false:

Odom’s three worst

90: 12-16, SOS: 33rd, SRS*: 7.81 (66th)
98: 16-14, SOS: 6th, SRS: 9.63 (50)
99: 17-14, SOS: 34th, SRS: 9.80 (54)

Skip/Dino:

06: 17-17, SOS: 36th, SRS: 8.15 (68), KP: 80
07: 15-16, SOS: 7th, SRS: 6.08 (81), KP: 102
08: 17-13, SOS: 6th, SRS: 9.29 (81), KP: 73

Manning’s last 2:

17: 19-14, SOS: 26th, SRS: 14.19 (36), KP: 36
18: 9-13, SOS: 10th, SRS: 8.40 (78)

Wake averages under Odom/Skip/Dino:

19.33 wins and SRS: 14.27

[Redacted] best season:

14: 17-16, SOS: 57th, SRS: 5.49 (94), KP: 117

*SRS is basically RPI that considers margin of victory.
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This is a good post with good metrics. I retract my previous statement....or at least I revert to the more accurate statement that Manning's best year is at the low end of the kind of "good years" that we enjoyed for 20 years from 1990-2010.
 
RChildress107 said:
Skills can’t be developed? And making your perception of a player’s effort into a judgment of their virtue isn’t a good look. I always say that’s what college sports needs more of: old white men caling mostly minority teenagers immoral because they look like they aren’t trying very hard.
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LOL.

Wow, only an ideologically blinded mind bigoted by supposed personal superiority would turn my comment into a racist comment.
Who are the players that K motivates to bust their tails or Bennett? Are not the majority from minority peoples' groups? Hard work is not a virtue belonging intuitively to any group. It has to be instilled. If it is not there already, really good coaches do that.
 
RChildress107 said:
Defense is not about effort any more than offense. Bennett prioritizes defense and recruits kids who fit his system. This board seems to think that college athletes have an infinite store of energy, effort, and willpower that some simply refuse to tap into or that coaches refuse to demand from them. Logic and now science suggest that is not the case.
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Logic and science? I'm pretty sure 95+% of people would disagree with you here, including every athlete or coach with whom I've ever interacted. Have you ever coached sports (I haven't)? Played sports at a high level? While effort does not typically trump talent in the long run, maximizing your talent by getting as close to 100% effort out of your players as possible is what produces elite, winning teams.

There are very few kids that come into college with an understanding of the effort level it takes to be a successful ACC athlete, with a shot to make it to the pros someday. That has to be coached - in the weight room, film room, practice gym, and during games.
 
I told you millennial SJW morons that Manning stunk from day one, and not for his skin color. You accused me of racism. That's just how you do.

It must be depressing to continually project your deep inner racism onto everyone else. Just admit it: You're like preachers railing against gay people--guilty of the opposite of your self-righteous moralizing.
 
mebanedeac said:
LOL.

Wow, only an ideologically blinded mind bigoted by supposed personal superiority would turn my comment into a racist comment.
Who are the players that K motivates to bust their tails or Bennett? Are not the majority from minority peoples' groups? Hard work is not a virtue belonging intuitively to any group. It has to be instilled. If it is not there already, really good coaches do that.
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Just telling you how it sounds. I apologize for being bigoted to old white men.

1. I don’t think that on average Duke’s players exert more effort than the average team. They just have better players.

Really good coaches also teach their players footwork, shooting, passing, and all sorts of other basketball skills.
 
WFU Lurker said:
Ish bounced on and off rosters for his first three years in the league, I don’t think you can use where his career is now as proof he underperformed at Wake. And, really, if we are honest both AFA and JJ struggled more in the early phases of their NBA careers then I think we all expected.
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JJ was on a team where there were no minutes for him early in his career.

These guys didn't underperform at Wake. Their coach was abjectly incompetent. That team should have been unable to be defended and superior on D. There was no excuse for them not making at least the Sweet 16 and very probably a Final 4 with a decent draw.
 
WSJ said this am that SJM's suspension ended Thursday so he will be available. We now know why he has been DNP-CD.
 
tigerswood said:
Logic and science? I'm pretty sure 95+% of people would disagree with you here, including every athlete or coach with whom I've ever interacted. Have you ever coached sports (I haven't)? Played sports at a high level? While effort does not typically trump talent in the long run, maximizing your talent by getting as close to 100% effort out of your players as possible is what produces elite, winning teams.

There are very few kids that come into college with an understanding of the effort level it takes to be a successful ACC athlete, with a shot to make it to the pros someday. That has to be coached - in the weight room, film room, practice gym, and during games.
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>95% of people aren’t behavioral scientists (including me). That number is even higher for coaches and high level athletes. And your last paragraph proves my point. Effort, like footwork, shooting, defensive positioning, etc. takes coaching and time to develop.
 
deacinpoland said:
I told you millennial SJW morons that Manning stunk from day one, and not for his skin color. You accused me of racism. That's just how you do.

It must be depressing to continually project your deep inner racism onto everyone else. Just admit it: You're like preachers railing against gay people--guilty of the opposite of your self-righteous moralizing.
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Most SJW millennial, myself included, admit we have implicit racial biases and work to identify them and counteract them at the same time we work to remove the elements of our society that create these biases in the first place, even though those elements have benefited us throughout our lives. Most of us, myself included, aren’t very good at it, but hey, it’s the effort that counts, right?
 
Out of curiosity, what would it take next season to convince y’all that you’re wrong about Manning?

I’ve been pretty consistent that if he doesn’t make the tournament next year then he isn’t the coach for us. And frankly, if we aren’t a top 8 seed then I will have severe doubts.
 
if Manning makes the tournament next season, everyone will need to get comfy for another few years because Manning will remain coach. it won't matter if you are a dipshit racist in Poland or a season ticket holding bible thumper. everyone here knows that.
 
warak said:
if Manning makes the tournament next season, everyone will need to get comfy for another few years because Manning will remain coach. it won't matter if you are a dipshit racist in Poland or a season ticket holding bible thumper. everyone here knows that.
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Given Wellman’s track record everyone needs to get comfy regardless, for better or worse.
 
Lohengrin said:
Danny just had virtually no record, as opposed to a losing record.
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Yup. That and Wellman was hiring from a much weaker (self inflicted) position. If Wellman had left with [Redacted], Manning would have been a defensible hire for an AD trying to rebuild the program. You figure that at a minimum he will be able to recruit and bring some relevance back to the program (both of which have proven true).

If he’s only capable of getting us back to mediocrity then you thank him and move on. Anything else is gravy.
 
If effort was a skill, Rudy was a 5-star recruit. What a f-ing joke.
 
RChildress107 said:
If willpower were an infinite resource that everyone was equally capable of tapping into we wouldn’t know who Rudy is.
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If everyone was equally capable of giving the same amount of effort then effort wouldn’t be a distinguishing factor and a 5’5 160 pound unatletic dude wouldn’t have played for Notre Dame.
 
RChildress107 said:
If everyone was equally capable of giving the same amount of effort then effort wouldn’t be a distinguishing factor and a 5’5 160 pound unatletic dude wouldn’t have played for Notre Dame.
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He was a blocking/tackling dummy. He did not play. You're arguing in circles. I give up.
 
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