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College basketball bribery scandal

myDeaconmyhand said:
Regarding eligibility it doesn't matter what school you go to - Kentucky's 16-17 season would be forfeit anyway just for Bam taking the money, my point is that Bam was most likely being pushed to State along with Dennis Smith, based on the context of the agent, the note, and that another recruit on that list went to State who wasn't a "bad loan".
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IMO was a “bad loan” because Bam was already signed/committed to presumably a Nike agent and had no chance of signing ASM and was a waste of 10K
 
FBI isn't really going after the kids, but rather the tax evasion (ok, this probably involves the kids some) and money laundering. Both of these likely implicate those handing out the money rather than those receiving the money.
 
So taking advantage of the kids (and current system) for their own gain?

This would not be necessary if the ncaa was not deeply flawed and corrupt.
 
Ayton and Marvin Bagley were HS teammates at one time - no way in hell these guys didn't talk and Bagley would have passed up this kind of money. I'd be nervous right now if I were a Duke fan, also considering Duke and UA were competing with a number of recruits (Duval) in recent years
 
The government regulates large parts of the economy all the time. The NCAA generates billions of dollars.
 
IMissRandolph said:
Ayton and Marvin Bagley were HS teammates at one time - no way in hell these guys didn't talk and Bagley would have passed up this kind of money. I'd be nervous right now if I were a Duke fan, also considering Duke and UA were competing with a number of recruits (Duval) in recent years
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Duke is a Nike school so Bagley isn't likely to show up on ASM's books. They seem to be Adidas connected.

What is stated above is why several people are calling the ASM list just the tip of the iceberg. When does something shake out from the Nike side? I don't think the Nike exec turned Adidas exec learned all his tricks during the job transition.
 
NCDomer said:
FBI isn't really going after the kids, but rather the tax evasion (ok, this probably involves the kids some) and money laundering. Both of these likely implicate those handing out the money rather than those receiving the money.
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If it is tax evasion, that would be the kids (the payee) not whoever is handing it out (the payor) - the payor legitimately paid it so to the extent they deducted it they would be fine, it would be on the payee for failure to report. Regardless, the FBI doesn't go after tax evasion for individual revenue amounts ranging from the $300 Duke dinner to the $40k DSJ got. At the most that is $10k in taxes for DSJ in whatever paltry tax bracket he was in. That isn't an FBI investigation, that is a low level IRS lackey. You can add up all the foregone taxes allegedly involved and at most it is what, $20k? Most of these payments are below the $14k annual gift tax exclusion and wouldn't even require taxes if the payor didn't deduct them as business expenses. Amounts like that get written off in settlements daily, and how many millions are we spending to investigate it?
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
This is all such a stupid waste of resources. Isn't ending shit like this why Trump was elected? The FBI is spending millions and millions of dollars investigating how kids, many of whom come from lower economic backgrounds, are being paid a few thousand dollars, not for drugs, not for guns, not for stolen goods .... but to go to school. That is really what concerns our federal government's police division? Howabout we take the millions of dollars that the FBI is going to continue to spend and give it to a bunch of other kids to convince them to go to school too.
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Honestly, I agree. Sometimes these kids need the money just to eat. Maybe not $100k worth but a $4-5k loan shouldn’t be the end of the world.
 
Make all the college coaches sign clawback agreements for their salaries if they're caught cheating. I mean is it really a deterrent for Sean Miller and Rick Pitino? They've already pocketed the 20 mil.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
If it is tax evasion, that would be the kids (the payee) not whoever is handing it out (the payor) - the payor legitimately paid it so to the extent they deducted it they would be fine, it would be on the payee for failure to report. Regardless, the FBI doesn't go after tax evasion for individual revenue amounts ranging from the $300 Duke dinner to the $40k DSJ got. At the most that is $10k in taxes for DSJ in whatever paltry tax bracket he was in. That isn't an FBI investigation, that is a low level IRS lackey. You can add up all the foregone taxes allegedly involved and at most it is what, $20k? Most of these payments are below the $14k annual gift tax exclusion and wouldn't even require taxes if the payor didn't deduct them as business expenses. Amounts like that get written off in settlements daily, and how many millions are we spending to investigate it?
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I don't think bribes are a deductible expense.
 
Good lord.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ls-detailing-communication-about-top-recruits

One of close to 25 emails the FBI found between Dawkins and Miller purportedly shows Dawkins telling Miller he was working with Michigan State assistant coach Dwayne Stephens and former Indiana assistant Chuck Martin on separate deals to send then-5-star recruit Brian Bowen to one of their programs in exchange for those schools' top prospects signing with ASM: 

"Dwayne Stephens – Trying to close the deal on Brian Bowen for Michigan State. Trying to do a trade deal for (Spartans) Gary Harris, Miles Bridges, etc"

"Chuck Martin – Trying to close the deal on Brian Bowen for Indiana. I told him if we can work together and if he can push for us to get (Hoosiers) Thomas Bryant and OG Anunoby two projected first rounders from IU this year we can work something out."
"This is the first that we've heard anything about this," Indiana athletic department spokesman J.D. Campbell told Yahoo. 

A separate email from Dawkins broke down the potential quid pro quo involved with Arizona's attempt to land Bowen. 

"Now I can't promise that this kid that they want [Bowen] is going to Arizona, but [Arizona assistant] Joe [Pasternack] told me verbatim he will help us get all the Arizona players so put his feet to the fire," Dawkins wrote.

There was also a discussion between Dawkins and Etop Udo-Ema, a prominent figure in the Southern California Adidas AAU basketball scene, regarding former Kansas swingman Josh Jackson and payments made to his mother by apparel companies. 

"His situation is going to get done at the very end," Dawkins wrote. "UA is giving her 10k a month and she's also getting paid by adidas now—so she's plenty taken care of. She actually works all of under armours events now and talks to the parents as a 'advisor.'"
 
Is there any reason at all to follow elite basketball recruiting any more? The players are being traded like baseball cards.
 
What AD writes contracts like this.

"In a strange twist, Miller's contract somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. The section in his current contract that references him being fired with cause mentions no reduction in base salary upon firing. But if Arizona fires him without cause, there's a 50 percent reduction noted. So if Miller is fired with cause by the university, they will owe him approximately $5.15 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if it fired him for no reason."

I guess it's too late for AZ to fire him without cause. Of course they deserve to pay that money if the are stupid enough to write a contract like that.
 
Deac83 said:
What AD writes contracts like this.

"In a strange twist, Miller's contract somehow pays him more for getting fired with cause than without cause. The section in his current contract that references him being fired with cause mentions no reduction in base salary upon firing. But if Arizona fires him without cause, there's a 50 percent reduction noted. So if Miller is fired with cause by the university, they will owe him approximately $5.15 million more ($10.3 million versus $5.15 million) than if it fired him for no reason."



I guess it's too late for AZ to fire him without cause. Of course they deserve to pay that money if the are stupid enough to write a contract like that.
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Ron Wellman is dumb enough to
 
Buttermaker said:
Vitale of course insistent this isn't a widespread problem.
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And the half time analyst pushes for 'due process' before coaches or players have to sit out. Dude official records are won thing you can't 'undo' actual wins.

And Carter is praised for 'playing through this'.
 
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