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Keyshawn Woods being honored for senior night

knowell said:
He could have gotten injured. You should not be in that position anyway. It's mostly coaching anyway. The 4th year of Dinos is reaching Daniel Green status.

I'm pretty sure senior Woods leaving will be the reason for about 6 of our losses next year.
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Maybe Dinos possessed the unique ability to score in the final 4 minutes of a game.
 
knowell said:
He could have gotten injured. You should not be in that position anyway. It's mostly coaching anyway. The 4th year of Dinos is reaching Daniel Green status.
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Not even close.
Dinos had three years of production, any one of which surpassed Daniel Green's career production.
 
Deaconblue said:
Not even close.
Dinos had three years of production, any one of which surpassed Daniel Green's career production.
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Wow, better than 1.6 ppg. Truly impressive. Particularly for a guy who lost races to Lithuanian tortoises.
 
Deac83 said:
So woods has played on one NCAAt team and one bad team. Next year more likely to be in the ncaa. Unless he’s leaving for a guaranteed ncaa team it would show a lack of judgement. Unlesss he just wants away from manning or getting paid seems playing here is his better option.
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That’s patronizing as shit. Everyone on this board knows we’re a million miles away from the tournament next year. I wouldn’t blame Key in the least if he hops of this dumpster fire and goes somewhere to win something. At the risk of fluffing donaldross he absolutely has a better chance of making the tourney at UNCG (for example) next year then he does at Wake.
 
DeacinBama said:
I'm less concerned about potentially replacing Woods' production as I am about what his departure says about the program. Woods would make two players leaving in as many years with remaining eligibility to do something other than play in the NBA. Combined with the on-court shitshow, and it's a tremendous indictment of Manning's performance.
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Exactly. And at this point between departures and on-court results i don’t know how anyone could think Manning is going to take us anywhere meaningful. Sad to say but time to move on. Not sure where it came from but i love the thought of Crean. Good dude. Done the private school thing. Ready for some redemption and i bet would love to get it on in ACC.
 
Crean has never been a head coach in the south. He seems more cut out for a place like Pitt than Wake.
 
RChildress107 said:
I’m way more concerned about what this year’s performance says about the program than typical attrition. Is it written in the board’s terms of use somewhere that we have to overreact to everything that happens concerning the basketball program.
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Great. You might want to respond to the original poster of this argument than trolling me for posting "This". Not gonna work. You really need to get a life.
 
Henry Chinaski said:
That’s patronizing as shit. Everyone on this board knows we’re a million miles away from the tournament next year. I wouldn’t blame Key in the least if he hops of this dumpster fire and goes somewhere to win something. At the risk of fluffing donaldross he absolutely has a better chance of making the tourney at UNCG (for example) next year then he does at Wake.
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It's pretty simple:

1. Key (or father) doesn't like Manning - leaves for some random program that might make the NCAAT (of course Manning brought him here so very odd in some ways)
2. Leaves and goes to a top program that is projected in the top 20 (or even 30) for 2019. Then he's clearly saying he wants to win and Wake isn't going to get it done.
3. He goes to Europe and gets paid. If he has an offer now not idea why he wouldn't leave and take the cash, he's not going to the NBA.

Possibility that he could want away from Manning and get a top 20 gig, but a team would really need a pure offense guy since he has lots of trouble on defense.

Not sure we can depend on the fan base opinion of the teams future performance, last year it was no NCAA, this year we were more optimistic, so the fan record is 100% wrong on expectations.
 
DeacinBama said:
I'm less concerned about potentially replacing Woods' production as I am about what his departure says about the program. Woods would make two players leaving in as many years with remaining eligibility to do something other than play in the NBA. Combined with the on-court shitshow, and it's a tremendous indictment of Manning's performance.
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coredeac said:
This!
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I’m way more concerned about what this year’s performance says about the program than typical attrition. Is it written in the board’s terms of use somewhere that we have to overreact to everything that happens concerning the basketball program.
 
PhDeac said:
No way we get a better grad transfer SG than we are losing in Key.
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I don't think I'd go with "no way"... But agree that it is unlikely.

I mean, we did all right w/ Austin Arians and Coron Williams.

There are always guys out there.
 
knowell said:
He could have gotten injured. You should not be in that position anyway. It's mostly coaching anyway. The 4th year of Dinos is reaching Daniel Green status.

I'm pretty sure senior Woods leaving will be the reason for about 6 of our losses next year.
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Agree that we should have had more depth at the 4, but Dinos was a 3 year starter who played 22+ mpg each year. He absolutely would have made a significant difference given the black hole we've at PF this season.

I think the real villain of our season, however, was Jack Whitman. I like to blame him for all of our struggles.
 
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Key is gone, imo.

As I stated earlier in the thread, it will be VERY interesting (to me, at least) to see where he ends up if he transfers to another NCAA school (vs. playing in Europe). Will he go to a place where he can put up a ton of shots? Or will he go to a good team where he comes off the bench to be instant offense? If it's the latter, I'll feel a lot worse about it in regards to what it says about Wake Forest.

I do always enjoy following up on Wake Forest players after they transfer in order to see how accurately we judge our own players. For example: most were way off on how good Cavanaugh was, but Chennault turned out to be pretty meh for Nova.
 
I think there's a big difference between kids that clearly aren't ready, transfer, and use the year off to get stronger/better and reach a level they wouldn't have otherwise and this situation. Cav is a great example, I think Shelton Mitchell is as well. Woods is just a straight "screw this I'm out" situation. If it's for money because our staff can pull some strings and get him paid in Europe, fine. But he's slated for 20+ minutes a game in the ACC next year for a team that will be very talented. It's not like there are dozens and dozens of guaranteed NCAA-bound programs looking to give huge minutes to a one-year rental who can hit shots but doesn't play much defense. If he goes to ride the bench on a tournament team or put up 20 a night for East Tennessee A&M it still speaks very poorly for the state of our coach/player relationships.
 
Doral should work out with Dwight Howard all summer. That should make a difference.
 
DeacsATS said:
Key is gone, imo.

As I stated earlier in the thread, it will be VERY interesting (to me, at least) to see where he ends up if he transfers to another NCAA school (vs. playing in Europe). Will he go to a place where he can put up a ton of shots? Or will he go to a good team where he comes off the bench to be instant offense? If it's the latter, I'll feel a lot worse about it in regards to what it says about Wake Forest.

I do always enjoy following up on Wake Forest players after they transfer in order to see how accurately we judge our own players. For example: most were way off on how good Cavanaugh was, but Chennault turned out to be pretty meh for Nova.
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Chase Fischer did alright after leaving Wake.
 
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