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Danny Manning Credibility Watch

donaldross said:
You fire him. You move on. This governing out of fear is silly. Costs many a great business so much. Like Wake hoops.
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I don't disagree with you. However, we have perhaps the most tone deaf, egotistical asshole athletic director in the country. You're assuming logic will prevail. I hope it does but i wouldn't count on it.
 
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coredeac said:
I don't disagree with you. However, we have perhaps the most tone deaf, egotistical asshole athletic director in the country. You're assuming logic will prevail. I hope it does but i wouldn't count on it.
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V.! . .!n
 
Manning will be back next year, but credibility is down to about 5%.
 
WFU Lurker said:
I am actually in favor of giving Danny another year, but your argument is bad. Wake is an ACC program with a top notch, dedicated basketball facility under-construction and greater resources for salary than in years past (given new ACC TV revenue, lack of a Grobe buyout, presumably much better football revenues, and probably marginally better basketball revenues). No candidate is going to turn that down because we fired a guy who won 13 games or fewer in three of his four seasons, even if he did make the tournament as an 11 seed in the other season.
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The Bogeyman slayed...
 
No college coach worth his salt would be turned off by Manning's dismissal given where we are right now. That's just silly.
 
We're all in pretty universal agreement that the timing of Dino's firing was poor, right? Then why are some of you thinking that it will play better if we just stretch this out, let Manning have a little bit of success but never get over the hump, and then fire him? You fire on the back end of an awful season. That's now. The last thing we need is a couple years of bubble teams that make it harder to fire Manning even though it remains obvious that Manning's ceiling is well below Skip/Odom. If he sticks around, fan apathy will continue to grow. The nice shiny new basketball center loses it's new car smell. We'll transition to a new AD, who will come in and be hesitant to upset the apple cart right from the start. Suddenly we're looking at another 3-5 years of wondering in the basketball wilderness.

The time is now. The smart people in the room who control the purse strings need to step up, let Wellman know that they appreciate what he's done, but that he's on the way out, and a consulting firm will handle the hire. You'd think the dude would be begging for someone to save his legacy at this point anyway. We pay up, hire a good coach, have a good recruiting class on the way in, and the new coach hits the ground running with a shiny new facility to show off to recruits. We take the next 3-4 years to climb back to the top tier of the ACC and then we're poised to pounce when K/Roy/Jim start retiring.
 
RacerDeac said:
We're all in pretty universal agreement that the timing of Dino's firing was poor, right? Then why are some of you thinking that it will play better if we just stretch this out, let Manning have a little bit of success but never get over the hump, and then fire him? You fire on the back end of an awful season. That's now. The last thing we need is a couple years of bubble teams that make it harder to fire Manning even though it remains obvious that Manning's ceiling is well below Skip/Odom. If he sticks around, fan apathy will continue to grow. The nice shiny new basketball center loses it's new car smell. We'll transition to a new AD, who will come in and be hesitant to upset the apple cart right from the start. Suddenly we're looking at another 3-5 years of wondering in the basketball wilderness.

The time is now. The smart people in the room who control the purse strings need to step up, let Wellman know that they appreciate what he's done, but that he's on the way out, and a consulting firm will handle the hire. You'd think the dude would be begging for someone to save his legacy at this point anyway. We pay up, hire a good coach, have a good recruiting class on the way in, and the new coach hits the ground running with a shiny new facility to show off to recruits. We take the next 3-4 years to climb back to the top tier of the ACC and then we're poised to pounce when K/Roy/Jim start retiring.
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Damn good post.
 
RacerDeac said:
We're all in pretty universal agreement that the timing of Dino's firing was poor, right? Then why are some of you thinking that it will play better if we just stretch this out, let Manning have a little bit of success but never get over the hump, and then fire him? You fire on the back end of an awful season. That's now. The last thing we need is a couple years of bubble teams that make it harder to fire Manning even though it remains obvious that Manning's ceiling is well below Skip/Odom. If he sticks around, fan apathy will continue to grow. The nice shiny new basketball center loses it's new car smell. We'll transition to a new AD, who will come in and be hesitant to upset the apple cart right from the start. Suddenly we're looking at another 3-5 years of wondering in the basketball wilderness.

The time is now. The smart people in the room who control the purse strings need to step up, let Wellman know that they appreciate what he's done, but that he's on the way out, and a consulting firm will handle the hire. You'd think the dude would be begging for someone to save his legacy at this point anyway. We pay up, hire a good coach, have a good recruiting class on the way in, and the new coach hits the ground running with a shiny new facility to show off to recruits. We take the next 3-4 years to climb back to the top tier of the ACC and then we're poised to pounce when K/Roy/Jim start retiring.
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sailordeac said:
the best argument for keeping Danny at this point is that Wellman is going to be hiring his successor
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Which is based on an assumption that he would be doing the hiring. I have a hard time believing that those who will be paying for the Manning buyout and the new hire would allow Wellman to run the show this time considering he has now botched 3 hires in a row and is nearing retirement.
 
wsc8521s said:
TBF Grant's last three years are not far off at all on Keatts' three years at UNCW. Only real thing missing is the tourney appearance.

And Marshall a pretty darn good influence to have learned from
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Four reasons I don't like Grant as much as I liked Keatts:
1) Keatts has ridiculous regional recruiting ties between his time at Hargrave and at Louisville
2) CoC regressed this year, driven by the defense falling off the cliff (173 after being 20th and 66th)
3) Grant runs a very slow tempo while Keatts teams play relatively fast. All else equal, fast is better (absent being a Bennett level defensive coach, see point #2).
4) Simple eye-test. I watched the CoC game vs W&M. Effort wasn't there on defense and offense was just one-on-one play. Going to try to see one of their CAAT games to see if that was a one-time deal or not.

I don't really care about tournament appearances when evaluating mid-major coaches.

ETA: Musselman I think is probably my pick, just wish he had more regional ties.
 
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Isn't Musselman taking the same approach as Manning (last season)? He is over 50 and has a top 10 offense with a shitty defense. Their team would be a shell of itself if he didn't land the Martin twins via transfer.
 
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