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BBall Recruiting Thread 2k19 - Charles Coleman de-commits to Wake. :(

DeacsATS said:
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

24/7 2018 Final Rankings are out:

Hoard up 18 spots to #15
Mucius down 4 spots to #102
No other Wake recruits ranked in the top 247

Some big moves for a lot of guys.

Of interest:
Lukas Kisunas down 14 spots to 158 (still not committed)
Robert Braswell up 62 spots to 166 (still not committed)
John Newman fell 23 spots to 178 (Clemson) - I thought he'd been playing very well and would move up
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Possibly(?) worth noting that Jamie Lewis is only ranked 9 spots outside the top 247.

ETA: should've refreshed my page. ATS beat me to it
 
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RJKarl said:
Lewis' ranking is not correct if he's healthy...
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what do you mean his ranking "is not correct"

they ranked him there. it's a correct ranking.

are you just saying he's underrated if healthy? because, you know, the whole "not playing after two years of major nonstop injuries" thing might render even a 100% recovered Lewis pretty useless
 
When he was healthy he was in the 60-70. No one knows how serious the injuries were. That's why I said "if healthy".
 
RJKarl said:
Lewis' ranking is not correct if he's healthy...
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The rankings are what they are... Every player on the list has a unique story and set of circumstances.

Of course they aren't "correct" in their projections of future performance at the college level, but it's the best system we have.

I think one of Lewis, Lorng, or Wright will be a surprise (meaning simply that they are worthy of minutes in the ACC), but signing 3 guys outside the Top 250 recruits is not how you build a program that can compete in the ACC.

Lewis, specifically, is a HUGE wildcard, given nobody has seen him play decent competition in more than 2 years. I'd like to think he'll work out for us, but to act like he's easily a Top 100 guy, if healthy, is setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
So, Hoard is officially a 5* per twitter. Wasn't sure we would see that again: a 5* recruit at Wake.
 
RJKarl said:
When he was healthy he was in the 60-70. No one knows how serious the injuries were. That's why I said "if healthy".
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He was 60-70 compared to other sophomores. He has not played basketball in 2 years. It's a pretty safe bet that he hasn't continued developing the same way the rest of the class has...you know, since he hasn't played basketball in 2 years. Even if he's just as good as he was as a sophomore right now, that wouldn't put him into the Top 100 seniors.
 
No way Justin Moore goes to Villanova...he doesn't look happy with their coaches. Thanks to PhDeac for this important measure of recruit interest.
 
RedSoxFaithful said:
what do you mean his ranking "is not correct"

they ranked him there. it's a correct ranking.

are you just saying he's underrated if healthy? because, you know, the whole "not playing after two years of major nonstop injuries" thing might render even a 100% recovered Lewis pretty useless
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I'm not sure. Why don't you tell me?

How many of RJ's upcoming posts will be honest mistakes or ones directed at your desire to correct everyone?

How many will be confusing to others just because RJ wants to help you mollify the depth and breadth of your inferiority complex by "correcting" us?
 
DeacsATS said:
The rankings are what they are... Every player on the list has a unique story and set of circumstances.

Of course they aren't "correct" in their projections of future performance at the college level, but it's the best system we have.

I think one of Lewis, Lorng, or Wright will be a surprise (meaning simply that they are worthy of minutes in the ACC), but signing 3 guys outside the Top 250 recruits is not how you build a program that can compete in the ACC.

Lewis, specifically, is a HUGE wildcard, given nobody has seen him play decent competition in more than 2 years. I'd like to think he'll work out for us, but to act like he's easily a Top 100 guy, if healthy, is setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Out side of Hoard, we have another 2016-esque class coming in. Even if one of Lewis, Lorng, or Wright out play their rankings that would put them where, in the low 200s? This is the class that is going to revolutionize our team and take us to the second round of the NCAA.
 
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ESPN has Wright as a 4 Star and #3 recruit in SC. He had 10 P5 offers.
 
I don't get how a guy can be #272 on 247 with offers from Auburn, GT, Memphis, F$U, South Carolina, Clemson, Texas Tech and Georgia.
 
birdman said:
Out side of Hoard, we have another 2016-esque class coming in. Even if one of Lewis, Lorng, or Wright out play their rankings that would put them where, in the low 200s? This is the class that is going to revolutionize our team and take us to the second round of the NCAA.
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I am far less negative that that.

You can't say "Outside of Hoard"... Because he's the highest ranked recruit we've had in a decade. That is kind of important.

Also, Mucius is ranked much higher than any of our 4 2016 recruits (with the odd exception of SJM being Top 100 in 24/7).

2016 24/7 (composite):
SJM - 96 (170)
Childress - 188 (192)
Washington - 240 (215)
Mitchell - 263 (269)

2018 24/7 (composite):
Hoard - 15 (21)
Mucius - 102 (90)
Lewis - 256 (270)
Lorng - 272 (351)
Wright Jr - 294 (272)

I get your point, though... Lewis/Lorng/Wright are the type of players who might be gone in a year. I disagree on the potential for "outplaying their rankings." I'd argue Childress has been much better than the 37th best PG in his class. He played over 20mpg in each of his first two years. If one of Lewis/Lorng/Wright plays significant minutes in the rotation this season, that is much better than Top 200 level performance.
 
RJKarl said:
I don't get how a guy can be #272 on 247 with offers from Auburn, GT, Memphis, F$U, South Carolina, Clemson, Texas Tech and Georgia.
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well, probably because offers require context in order to become relevant data
 
Harris is definitely going to Virginia Tech. That was the only staff who were able to get him playing hackey-sack in the street. Obviously, once you've played a round of that, a unique bond is formed. Excellent recruiting strategy.
 
DeacsATS said:
I am far less negative that that.

You can't say "Outside of Hoard"... Because he's the highest ranked recruit we've had in a decade. That is kind of important.

Also, Mucius is ranked much higher than any of our 4 2016 recruits (with the odd exception of SJM being Top 100 in 24/7).

2016 24/7 (composite):
SJM - 96 (170)
Childress - 188 (192)
Washington - 240 (215)
Mitchell - 263 (269)

2018 24/7 (composite):
Hoard - 15 (21)
Mucius - 102 (90)
Lewis - 256 (270)
Lorng - 272 (351)
Wright Jr - 294 (272)

I get your point, though... Lewis/Lorng/Wright are the type of players who might be gone in a year. I disagree on the potential for "outplaying their rankings." I'd argue Childress has been much better than the 37th best PG in his class. He played over 20mpg in each of his first two years. If one of Lewis/Lorng/Wright plays significant minutes in the rotation this season, that is much better than Top 200 level performance.
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The lowest ranked recruit in 2016 had a better composite rank that the three lowest in 2018. Hoard wants to be a 1 and done, if that plays out we are looking at 2016 recruiting class all over again. Take away Hoard and the average rank of the players in our 2018 class is 231. This approach to recruiting doesn't seem like a good formula for long term success.
 
One thing about Wright Jr is that the staff seemed to have him as a priority and didn't just go after him after whiffing on their first 5 choices. Plus there were some other legit schools that seemed to be after him at that time as well. None of that means he will turn out to be good. However, I usually feel better about a lower ranked recruit that the staff really wants and feels fits a specific role versus one that they just end up settling on.
 
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