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I'm not huge into comparing eras because the level of play has advanced so far over the last 20 yrs. That said, it's Lebron > MJ pretty clearly for me.
 
Even ignoring Eras, the top 10 single season PER ranks go like this

Jordan - 4
Wilt - 3
Lebron - 2
Steph - 1
 
palmab03 said:
Even ignoring Eras, the top 10 single season PER ranks go like this

Jordan - 4
Wilt - 3
Lebron - 2
Steph - 1
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1. PER is pretty basic
2. You strategically picked top 10 because Lebron has #11 and #13. You could have easily said they both have 4 of the top 15, etc.
3. They have the essentially the same career PER so I doubt that PER is going to be the stat to split them up.
 
FckVwls said:
I'm not huge into comparing eras because the level of play has advanced so far over the last 20 yrs. That said, it's Lebron > MJ pretty clearly for me.
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I agree there was a lull after Jordan’s second retirement but the league was quite strong in the 80s and 90s.

Who are the best players Lebron best in the Eastern Conference playoffs?
 
FckVwls said:
1. PER is pretty basic
2. You strategically picked top 10 because Lebron has #11 and #13. You could have easily said they both have 4 of the top 15, etc.
3. They have the essentially the same career PER so I doubt that PER is going to be the stat to split them up.
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Well you can strategically pick any sort of setup, MJ has 7 of the top 31 vs Lebron's 4. MJ is slightly better in any range you look at. Therefore you then go by things like rings and the eye-test. And MJ never quit on his team in the playoffs or got swept out of the finals. MJ's will would have broken down lebron since he's not as strong mentally, had they played in the same era.

Lebron is the best athlete to ever play in the NBA, however.
 
Expansion means its a worse NBA, comparatively, and lebron only has more win shares because he's already got 70 more games played.
 
No it doesn’t. It just means there are more teams. Much more talent, enough to spread across the greater number of teams.

And to flip ph’s question on Jordan, who were the great eastern conference players those bulls were beating? Ewing? Reggie Miller? Old Isaih Thomas?
 
Lebron James has lead the league in Points once. Michael Jordan lead the league in points scored 10 straight seasons.
 
Lebron playing longer/more is a big deal when considering a GOAT discussion. Peak matters but so does longevity. Lebron is doing all this at season 15 when GOATs of the past were hanging it up.
 
palmab03 said:
Lebron James has lead the league in Points once. Michael Jordan lead the league in points scored 10 straight seasons.
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Well yes because Lebron is an elite passer and not only a pure scorer.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
No it doesn’t. It just means there are more teams. Much more talent, enough to spread across the greater number of teams.

And to flip ph’s question on Jordan, who were the great eastern conference players those bulls were beating? Ewing? Reggie Miller? Old Isaih Thomas?
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The first Championship he went through Ewing's Knicks, Barkley's Sixers, Isiah's Pistons and Magic and Kareem.

2nd was Ewing/Heat/ The Ehlo shot and Clyde the Glyde in the finals vs Portland

3rd was Dominique and the Hawks, Cleveland and Ewing again and Barkley in the Finals

4th was Morning and the Heat, Ewing and the Knicks, Shaq and Penny and the Magic and Kemp and Payton and the Sonics

5th was Webber/Howard Bullets, Dikembe's Hawks and Mourning's Heat and Stockton and Malone Jazz

6th was Nets before Kidd, Mason/Curry/Bogues/Rice/Maxwell/Divac Hornets, Reggie Miller's Pacers and Jazz.


Lebron's biggest test has been Lance Stephenson.
 
palmab03 said:
Lebron averages 7 assists vs. Jordan's 5. 2 APG is the difference between elite passer and pure scorer?
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7.2 apg vs. 4.9 apg is a big difference. Lebron is very likely to end up top 3 in total assists in NBA history. He was 2nd in total assists and 3rd in NBA in apg this season.
 
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FckVwls said:
Lebron playing longer/more is a big deal when considering a GOAT discussion. Peak matters but so does longevity. Lebron is doing all this at season 15 when GOATs of the past were hanging it up.
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Agreed. I think that could put him over the top in 5 years.
 
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I’ve always been a Jordan guy, but even I have to admit it’s something you could argue about.

Wish Jordan hadn’t decided to play baseball in one of his prime years. Or retire at 34.
 
palmab03 said:
The first Championship he went through Ewing's Knicks, Barkley's Sixers, Isiah's Pistons and Magic and Kareem.

2nd was Ewing/Heat/ The Ehlo shot and Clyde the Glyde in the finals vs Portland

3rd was Dominique and the Hawks, Cleveland and Ewing again and Barkley in the Finals

4th was Morning and the Heat, Ewing and the Knicks, Shaq and Penny and the Magic and Kemp and Payton and the Sonics

5th was Webber/Howard Bullets, Dikembe's Hawks and Mourning's Heat and Stockton and Malone Jazz

6th was Nets before Kidd, Mason/Curry/Bogues/Rice/Maxwell/Divac Hornets, Reggie Miller's Pacers and Jazz.


Lebron's biggest test has been Lance Stephenson.
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Jordan never played Kareem
 
Yeah. They still had Magic and Worthy.
 
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