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Official 2018 NBA Offseason Thread: the preseason cometh

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Ayo said:
56 wins ! ! ! ! !
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. You have an original thought on this or just unnecessary ridicule? How many wins will the spurs get this coming year?
 
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Not going to get into a silly & simplistic win total argument, but I look at it like this...

You 100% absolutely make this trade if you are Toronto. They now have a legit shot to make the Finals next year and they don’t have to pay DeRozan for 3 more years. At worst, it’s a 1-year rental that still puts them in a better position after next year, even if(when) Leonard leaves.

For the Spurs, you are putting all of your eggs in the DeRozan basket... If he sucks (continues to decline), you are a worse team for the foreseeable future. I don’t think they need to tank or blow anything up, but it feels like years of mediocrity are ahead.
 
DeacsATS said:
Not going to get into a silly & simplistic win total argument, but I look at it like this...

You 100% absolutely make this trade if you are Toronto. They now have a legit shot to make the Finals next year and they don’t have to pay DeRozan for 3 more years. At worst, it’s a 1-year rental that still puts them in a better position after next year, even if(when) Leonard leaves.

For the Spurs, you are putting all of your eggs in the DeRozan basket... If he sucks (continues to decline), you are a worse team for the foreseeable future. I don’t think they need to tank or blow anything up, but it feels like years of mediocrity are ahead.
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Huh? Hard to make the finals when Kawhi won't ever even suit up for them.
 
DeacsATS said:
Not going to get into a silly & simplistic win total argument, but I look at it like this...

You 100% absolutely make this trade if you are Toronto. They now have a legit shot to make the Finals next year and they don’t have to pay DeRozan for 3 more years. At worst, it’s a 1-year rental that still puts them in a better position after next year, even if(when) Leonard leaves.

For the Spurs, you are putting all of your eggs in the DeRozan basket... If he sucks (continues to decline), you are a worse team for the foreseeable future. I don’t think they need to tank or blow anything up, but it feels like years of mediocrity are ahead.
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Losing Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected first does not leave them in better position next year if they don’t resign Kawhi. If Kawhi doesn’t stick they are bottom half of the eastern playoffs at best.

I do think it was a good risk to take for Toronto, but there is definite downside. Spurs weren’t ever going to see Kawhi in silver and black again. They ended up with an all star, an emerging young big man, and a draft pick for Danny Green. The Philly trade was better imo but this wasn’t a terrible deal for them. Way better than whatever the Lakers and Clips were offering.
 
DeacsATS said:
Not going to get into a silly & simplistic win total argument, but I look at it like this...

You 100% absolutely make this trade if you are Toronto. They now have a legit shot to make the Finals next year and they don’t have to pay DeRozan for 3 more years. At worst, it’s a 1-year rental that still puts them in a better position after next year, even if(when) Leonard leaves.

For the Spurs, you are putting all of your eggs in the DeRozan basket... If he sucks (continues to decline), you are a worse team for the foreseeable future. I don’t think they need to tank or blow anything up, but it feels like years of mediocrity are ahead.
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What do you mean by continues to decline? Derozan has gotten better every year
 
I think it was a solid trade on both sides. Toronto getit’s shot at the finals and maybe keeps him, though doubtful. SA essentially rebuilds,while being somewhat relevant.

We will see
 
tau06 said:
Huh? Hard to make the finals when Kawhi won't ever even suit up for them.
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I think he will... He'd be really dumb not to.

And they were the #1 seed in the East last year. Leonard is better than DeRozan in pretty much every part of his game. No LeBron in the East. Why couldn't they make the Finals? I realize Boston is good, too... But we still haven't seen that roster play together much (at all).
 
Wrangor said:
Losing Derozan, Poeltl, and a protected first does not leave them in better position next year if they don’t resign Kawhi. If Kawhi doesn’t stick they are bottom half of the eastern playoffs at best.
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I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I think the trade is about trying to capitalize on this one year window where LeBron is gone and they are (co-)favorites to win the East.

Will defer to Pelton on how it positions them longer-term:
"If Leonard walks away after this season, Toronto is still in decent shape. The Raptors will likely pay the luxury tax this season, the first time they would do so since 2003-04 per Mark Deeks. However, Green is also in the final year of his contract, making Toronto's payroll more manageable going forward. The Raptors would have the ability to spend their non-tax midlevel next summer if both players leave, adding to a young core that is largely still intact."
 
palmab03 said:
What do you mean by continues to decline? Derozan has gotten better every year
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Yeah, I guess that was a bit extreme. Probably better to say, "he is who he is" and "he has been horrific (and getting worse) each year in the playoffs."

I get that the Spurs tried to do the best they could, without making a Western rival much better... But I still don't see how you can be optimistic about the future. They didn't get picks or young talent... They got a player that will (at best) make them OK for the next couple of years, without much of a core of young talent that should improve once you get beyond that window of DeRozan/Aldridge.
 
i sorta like that folks are just assuming toronto gets to the finals with kawhi playing

like hey homies, remember how a couple of months ago we were all hedging on his totally unknown possible debilitating injury, which still hasn't been cleared up at all, and his will to play the game of basketball, which should skyrocket, as the guy who spent the last decade of his life living in san diego and san antonio and was trying to orchestrate a move to los angeles is instead forced to move to *checks notes* toronto

never mind the fact that their top rivals are a team that is about to run out 3 all-nba caliber players and a guy coming off one of the best rookie campaigns in the history of the sport
 
like, a two deep of:

kyrie//rozier
brown//smart
hayward//ojeleye (but really, smart again)
tatum//morris
horford//baynes

assuming health (a big caveat, i am aware), that's just not a fair roster to be betting against right now. y'all gonna look silly in 10 months
 
the worst of those 10 players-- ojeleye-- is three months removed from shutting giannis the fuck down when the consensus was that he was going to send the celtics home

every other dude on the bench i listed has significant recent experience as an nba starter
 
Wrangor said:
. You have an original thought on this or just unnecessary ridicule? How many wins will the spurs get this coming year?
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I think Aldridge is getting up there in age and won't be as good next year, especially with a guy like DeRozan who doesn't stretch a defense in the least. Pau is a year older. I also think losing Danny Green and Kyle Anderson hurts a lot. I also think the West will be better with teams like the Suns and Kings not looking to actively tank like last year and the Lakers obviously being better. 45 wins.
 
Agree that spurs defense takes a big hit. Outside of Murray they no longer have outstanding individual defenders so they better play great team defense. Not holding my breath. Aldridge is betting older but his game is not based on athleticism so his downturn could be slower.
 
DeacsATS said:
Yeah, I guess that was a bit extreme. Probably better to say, "he is who he is" and "he has been horrific (and getting worse) each year in the playoffs."

I get that the Spurs tried to do the best they could, without making a Western rival much better... But I still don't see how you can be optimistic about the future. They didn't get picks or young talent... They got a player that will (at best) make them OK for the next couple of years, without much of a core of young talent that should improve once you get beyond that window of DeRozan/Aldridge.
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They won 47 games with Leonard playing none and added an all star. To think they will be "ok" for the next few seasons is misguided IMO.

As for Leonard, what exactly has he done to make you think he will actually play for Toronto? He basically submarined any chance of getting a super max in San Antonio on purpose just so he could try to get to LA. Cost himself $80 million. You think he cares about playing a second in Toronto after already doing that? Fat chance IMO. Someone will still give him the max no matter what once he hits free agency. Why would he play now?
 
RedSoxFaithful said:
i sorta like that folks are just assuming toronto gets to the finals with kawhi playing

like hey homies, remember how a couple of months ago we were all hedging on his totally unknown possible debilitating injury, which still hasn't been cleared up at all, and his will to play the game of basketball, which should skyrocket, as the guy who spent the last decade of his life living in san diego and san antonio and was trying to orchestrate a move to los angeles is instead forced to move to *checks notes* toronto

never mind the fact that their top rivals are a team that is about to run out 3 all-nba caliber players and a guy coming off one of the best rookie campaigns in the history of the sport
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Agree 100% with everything you are saying about the celts, but on the bolded part it's pretty obvious that Kawhi isn't hurt, at least to me. He just doesn't want to play for SA and sure as hell doesn't want to play for Toronto.
 
Celts are going to roll next year and not going to even be close. They were so close to being Eastern Champs this year and they had 2 All Stars sitting on the bench in street clothes?? 2 All Stars folks! Even without Kyrie and Gordon it was clear the Celts had the requisite 3 studs to take them to the finals with Horford, Tatum, and Brown. Add to the fact Tatum and Brown are still growing and will continue to get better and that the back-ups for the Celts would be likely starters on a number of teams and I think it will be a stroll through the park IF they can stay relatively healthy. Heck they could still lose one key player and I still think they roll, but losing 2 of the caliber of Kyrie and Gordon was too much this past season. No Lebron and it won't be close.

Granted the Raptors will likely rack up the wins and build up some excitement, but when it comes playoff time they will be rolled. And not buying the Sixers excitement. They will be at the top, but again not a threat unless Fultz shows he is truly a #1.
 
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