John McCain has died

[myDeaconmyhand]

Gillum campaigned hard in suburbs. How do you think he won in the big metro areas of the state?

Not according to anything ive read on Gillums primary campaign strategy.

 

[PhDeac]

Not according to anything ive read on Gillums primary campaign strategy.

LOL. What did you read?

I’ll compare it with what I’ve read from people who actually campaigned for Gillum.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

How is this “shitty suburban politics”?

Here’s a pro tip...when 55% of the country lives in a suburb...and the suburbs are the fastest growing segment of the country (yes even faster than urban areas)...I wouldn’t piss all over and alienate these people. Especially when many are likely to embrace progressive causes like gun control, public education and a fair and equitable financial system that won’t wreck home values again.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018...ends-in-urban-suburban-and-rural-communities/

"Suburban counties" Here's a pro-tip, figure out what the fuck "suburbs" means in political parlance before referencing obviously irrelevant data. All the pretending and misreading in the world isn't going to confirm your imaginary brady bunch middle class constituency. Do you need me to post the American wealth and income distribution bar graph again? You know the one that looks like mount everest? Or can you just be fuckin honest?

Let me break it down for you:
1. The middle class has been shrinking for 40 years
2. Rural jobs have disappeared
3. Poor people, young and old, are moving to "suburban counties" because thats where resources, infrastructure, and "jobs" are.

When I reference "suburban" in a political discussion, I am referencing that small sliver of middle and upper middle class constituents with college educations and white collar managerial class jobs. I am not referring to people living in tract rental townhouse neighborhoods in "suburban counties". Dear Lord, I hope this is the last time I have to explain such an obvious statement.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

LOL. What did you read?

I’ll compare it with what I’ve read from people who actually campaigned for Gillum.

Well, every article that mentioned his focus on turning out poor and African American voters, particularly African American women, since he didnt believe that the voting base of either of his opponents would switch, but go off I guess, tell me about how Gillum won on the strength of the middle class.

 

[PhDeac]

When I use a term for where people live, I don’t actually mean the people who live there, I mean my stereotypes of people who live there. It’s like when Trump and Republicans use ‘inner cities’ to describe all black people and ‘illegals’ to describe all Latinos.

Dear Lord, I hope this is the last time I have to explain such an obvious statement.

Fixed

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Fixed

Fuck are you talking about? Instead of being a snarky shit, why don't you tell me who lives in the suburbs, since I obviously dont know.

 

[PhDeac]

Well, every article that mentioned his focus on turning out poor and African American voters, particularly African American women, since he didnt believe that the voting base of either of his opponents would switch, but go off I guess, tell me about how Gillum won on the strength of the middle class.

[insert why not both? gif here]

But seriously, I barely know any white upper middle class “suburban” women who voted for Graham. They pretty much all went for Gillum.

I understand where you get your ideas from. Incredulous moderates write articles about getting black people to vote like Jane Goddell writing about primate mating rituals and progressives like you eat it up.

Gillum went all over urban and suburban areas of all the large metro areas in the state and made his case. Look up any of the video from his campaign. He was talking to upper class white ladies as much as if not more often than he was talking to black audiences in black neighborhoods.

I can’t think of anything more dumb than looking at the election results and thinking “that successful candidate must have just ignored the college educated white people in large metro areas who make up a very large part of the Democratic Party.”

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

[insert why not both? gif here]

But seriously, I barely know any white upper middle class “suburban” women who voted for Graham. They pretty much all went for Gillum.

I understand where you get your ideas from. Incredulous moderates write articles about getting black people to vote like Jane Goddell writing about primate mating rituals and progressives like you eat it up.

Gillum went all over urban and suburban areas of all the large metro areas in the state and made his case. Look up any of the video from his campaign. He was talking to upper class white ladies as much as if not more often than he was talking to black audiences in black neighborhoods.

I can’t think of anything more dumb than looking at the election results and thinking “that successful candidate must have just ignored the college educated white people in large metro areas who make up a very large part of the Democratic Party.”

You remember that he won with 33% of the vote, right? You continue to misinterpret the word "focus", when it has a fairly definite meaning. I promise, when I ever use the word "ignore" ill let you know. I send you a PM so you dont miss it.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Here's some data, I know you academics enjoy that -
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-po...-black-vote-carried-andrew-gillum-to-victory/

"What’s more striking is how clearly Gillum benefited from black Democrats.
Imagine this: line up every county in Florida by how many of its registered Democrats (at the time of the primary bookclosing) are black. Divide the line into thirds.

The first, least-black third includes counties like Pasco and Sarasota, where most Democrats are white, as well as Osceola, where most are Hispanic. In those counties, Graham beat Gillum by 17 points.

The middle counties, like Brevard, Pinellas and Palm Beach, have a moderate share of black Democrats. There, Graham still won, by nine points.

But in the blackest third of counties, it was a different story. Those counties, where black voters make up more than a quarter of registered Democrats, went overwhelmingly for Gillum. He won by 15 points. And those counties include heavyweights like Hillsborough, Miami-Dade, Broward and Duval. Of the 18 counties Gillum won, 16 were in this group."

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Vote share of black voters

 

[PhDeac]

The large metro areas are where the black people live in FL.

DeSantis did better in cities than Putnam. That map would probably hold for him too.

MDMH, I just want you to think about what you’re doing. I’m a upper-class college-educated black guy who lives in a FL suburb in a large metro area trying to explain to you that Gillum reached out to upper-class college-educated suburban white people AND black people in large metro areas. You’re trying to tell me he didn’t by using data showing that Gillum did better than Graham in counties with large metropolitan areas.

Just think for a second before you keep going. You may realize how ridiculous you’re being.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

The large metro areas are where the black people live in FL.

DeSantis did better in cities than Putnam. That map would probably hold for him too.

MDMH, I just want you to think about what you’re doing. I’m a upper-class college-educated black guy who lives in a FL suburb in a large metro area trying to explain to you that Gillum reached out to upper-class college-educated suburban white people AND black people in large metro areas. You’re trying to tell me he didn’t by using data showing that Gillum did better than Graham in counties with large metropolitan areas.

Just think for a second before you keep going. You may realize how ridiculous you’re being.

You're working so hard to conflate metro areas and suburbs. Its obtuse as absolute fuck to interpret "suburban" as a geographic term for the purposes of this conversation.

Help me understand, do you consider every type of living space between a trailer park and a high-rise to be "suburban"?

"Suburban" is a catch-all term describing an intersection of middle class demographics. Continuing to dispute that is just blatantly argumentative.

 

[PhDeac]

No. Suburban is a term for a specific space. If you’re playing this game, why did you reference an article with county level data?

Why did you ignore than I even used your non-geographic definition of “suburban?”

You’re wrong on your terms and the real terms. Just deal with it and stop making your argument worse.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

No. Suburban is a term for a specific space. If you’re playing this game, why did you reference an article with county level data?

Why did you ignore than I even used your non-geographic definition of “suburban?”

You’re wrong on your terms and the real terms. Just deal with it and stop making your argument worse.

You full of absolute shit PH, you know goddamn well what I mean by suburban. If you're going.to be so fucking dishonest i'm not debating with you anymore. Enjoy the circle jerk with the rest of the ignorant country club shit heads here, you've obviously got more in common with them than me.

 

[RJKarl]

So depressing to see people that would self describe as "progressive" take such horrible positions.

You full of absolute shit PH, you know goddamn well what I mean by suburban. If you're going.to be so fucking dishonest i'm not debating with you anymore. Enjoy the circle jerk with the rest of the ignorant country club shit heads here, you've obviously got more in common with them than me.

I am only talking about what I highlighted.

You make absurd and incendiary statements about people you don't know at all. You have no idea where we've been or what we've done in our lives. But you are above us and want to drive us away if we aren't 100% ideologically pure and in harmony with you.

If you are this angry when you are young, you are likely to be angrier later on.

 

[PhDeac]

You full of absolute shit PH, you know goddamn well what I mean by suburban. If you're going.to be so fucking dishonest i'm not debating with you anymore. Enjoy the circle jerk with the rest of the ignorant country club shit heads here, you've obviously got more in common with them than me.

I’ve been using your definition and the correct definition. Read. You’re wrong regardless of whatever alternative definitions you want to use.

Pro tip: Stop debating in stereotypes. Work in reality.

 

[ChrisL68]

mdmh is such a dipshit.

 

[Lectro]

“The John McCain funeral guest list is concrete proof that nobody was held accountable for the Iraq War, the financial crisis and the creation of extrajudicial surveillance & drone assassination programs -- and likely nobody ever will be.”

 

[ConnorEl]

I wonder if it’s possible to strive to speak well of a recently deceased public servant, to find not dishonest reasons they can be honored and celebrated? Without being accused by bigots of “cozying up” or “boot licking”.



I guess not.


I hope we all have a few folks after our passing who might with some charity remember and celebrate us. You don’t think charity will be required in your case?


Think again.

 

[Newenglanddeac]

This thread from Ben Wittes does a nice job of capturing my feelings about the Trumpist right and its enablers, a certain faction of the far left, our current predicament and what it all means for me in the future. Given the level of discourse on this thread from both sides, it feels appropriate to leave here.