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Yeah, and a judge in Richmond held that Taylor's team had forged a bunch of signatures to get a 3rd party green party type on the ballot.
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Yeah, and a judge in Richmond held that Taylor's team had forged a bunch of signatures to get a 3rd party green party type on the ballot.
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maybe it's actually Terroir High b/c they're really into grape cultivation
I could see Dems winning in TN, NV and AZ. The question becomes how many will they lose.
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Obama giving a nice speech summarizing some of our political history.
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A couple months out, I see holding onto WV, MT, NJ (a criminally under reported race that's fairly close because Menendez is a crook) and almost surprisingly IN (because Donnelly drew a weak opponent with weak funding). I'd make NV and AZ as ever so slight favorites, though McSally makes AZ tougher than Ward would have. I still have a hard time believing TN is a dead heat at this point, but Bredesen has led in more polls than Blackburn has. ND and MO are toss-ups at best, and I'd slightly favor Scott in FL. 50/50 would be my guess now.
And speaking of MT, I still say Tester would get 400+ EVs if he were the Dem nominee in 2020.
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This dude really keeps a finger on the pulse of American politics. Jesus.
As opposed to MHB who attacks and drives away potential allies because they don't goosestep to 100% of his platform.
Are you sure you aren't Trump's long lost love child? The way you present yourself you appear to have many of his genes.
It's really unfortunate that you think that. My organizing is the antithesis of Trump. Anytime someone disagrees with you, you whine as if it is some personal attack against you. If you spent 1/10 of the time you spend arguing with me trying to understand DSA positions, you may be able to decide on your own if you want to be an ally. I still hope you do that. If you judged every political party/movement by an asshole online, you'd have no political affiliation.
To-date, I don't feel you have articulated any disagreements you have with DSA, so I have no idea where you fall on important issues. Without any substantive debate, I'm left to think you are not a potential ally. Just a liberal with no real interest in questioning the status quo of the Democratic Party. Put another way, I don't think I drive you away as an ally. I don't think you agree with any of the DSA platform. So you constantly conflate a debate over simply defining what that platform is, with accusation that I am telling people they have to accept 100% of my positions.
You also conflate the idea that people should vote Democrat, with the idea that you have the right to take away someone's agency and tell them they have to vote Democrat. The way to change the world is not solely through electoral politics. Given how much you like to brag about your past organizing work, you should understand that. The Democratic Party won't save us. The sooner we understand that the better. If you want to vote for Democrats in the meantime, it doesn't matter to me.
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Lots of good info in this Politico piece.
[h=1]Gillum raises profile — and cash — in Florida as DeSantis gets quiet[/h]
https://www.politico.com/states/flo...cash-in-florida-as-desantis-gets-quiet-591214
[h=1]Gillum raises profile — and cash — in Florida as DeSantis gets quiet[/h]
https://www.politico.com/states/flo...cash-in-florida-as-desantis-gets-quiet-591214
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No party will.
That’s sort of a religious sounding way to think of things.
But there’s only one party presently positioned to wrest power away from Pubs anytime soon. And that gives lip service (at least) to better ideas.
So yep, I’m not a member of their party but I’m voting for those folks.
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Wouldn’t a better DSA strategy be to entrench themselves into the Democratic Party, win several races as Democrats, then pull away from the party?
On another note, here is a really good inside look at Gillum’s campaign before the primary including some of the tension of courting black voters and white “suburban” progressive voters. There’s a good bit about Chris King too that helps explain why Gillum picked him for Lt. Gov.
Inside Andrew Gillum's Big, Black, Progressive Campaign For Governor Of Florida
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/andrew-gillum-florida-primary-black-voters-bernie
Last week, on a balcony above the student union on the campus of historically black Edward Waters College in Jacksonville, students were waiting for the dining hall to open. Gillum’s bus rolled slowly within their eyesight, and out came the candidate, who was greeted by a few white progressive women with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. (A common quote: “You’re so much more handsome than your photo!”) Gillum disappeared into a building, then walked from the union back to his bus. Abruptly, the school’s administrators asked the campaign to leave. (As a private institution, an administrator, Mandrake Miller, said, the college couldn’t support any one candidate and said while “we” may support Gillum personally, they could not have Gillum’s bus on campus causing a stir. Explaining all of this, he peered nervously over at the bus and said, “They need to make it a little more swift.”)
Meanwhile, a white woman volunteering for Gillum’s campaign struck up an awkward conversation with a group of young voters. She said Gillum was the only nonmillionaire in the race and asked them to relate to being broke, and said something about how he would institute policies to end discrimination and increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour. That was all before she leaned into stemwinder about how he’s not taking corporate money. “He is a beeeaaautiful man, too, just to top it off. Pretty to look at.”
One student, Keke Washington, was annoyed. “You could tell she was trying to act like she was trying to relate to us,” she said afterward. “My daddy or my uncle could have been Obama, you don’t know me.”
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Even for the campaign of a black candidate, progressives’ efforts to build a multiracial coalition at the grassroots level remains fraught — but also can be as simple as, or at least alleviated by, just finding the right messenger for a particular group, and in this case, the candidate.
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On another note, here is a really good inside look at Gillum’s campaign before the primary including some of the tension of courting black voters and white “suburban” progressive voters. There’s a good bit about Chris King too that helps explain why Gillum picked him for Lt. Gov.
Inside Andrew Gillum's Big, Black, Progressive Campaign For Governor Of Florida
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/darrensands/andrew-gillum-florida-primary-black-voters-bernie
Last week, on a balcony above the student union on the campus of historically black Edward Waters College in Jacksonville, students were waiting for the dining hall to open. Gillum’s bus rolled slowly within their eyesight, and out came the candidate, who was greeted by a few white progressive women with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. (A common quote: “You’re so much more handsome than your photo!”) Gillum disappeared into a building, then walked from the union back to his bus. Abruptly, the school’s administrators asked the campaign to leave. (As a private institution, an administrator, Mandrake Miller, said, the college couldn’t support any one candidate and said while “we” may support Gillum personally, they could not have Gillum’s bus on campus causing a stir. Explaining all of this, he peered nervously over at the bus and said, “They need to make it a little more swift.”)
Meanwhile, a white woman volunteering for Gillum’s campaign struck up an awkward conversation with a group of young voters. She said Gillum was the only nonmillionaire in the race and asked them to relate to being broke, and said something about how he would institute policies to end discrimination and increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour. That was all before she leaned into stemwinder about how he’s not taking corporate money. “He is a beeeaaautiful man, too, just to top it off. Pretty to look at.”
One student, Keke Washington, was annoyed. “You could tell she was trying to act like she was trying to relate to us,” she said afterward. “My daddy or my uncle could have been Obama, you don’t know me.”
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Even for the campaign of a black candidate, progressives’ efforts to build a multiracial coalition at the grassroots level remains fraught — but also can be as simple as, or at least alleviated by, just finding the right messenger for a particular group, and in this case, the candidate.
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At this point in history, a vote for a third/fourth party from the the left is absolutely a vote for the Republicans. It may not be that way in 20-30 years, but today that is the reality.
By voting against Dems in the Senate and presidential elections, you will be de facto voting to replace RBG and Breyer with people to the right of Gorsuch. This will turn back nearly everything that has been gained over the past fifty years for the next fifty years. What we need will be dead for the rest of your life by throwing away your votes over the next 2-3 years.
RE: Not agreeing with DSA platform - that's a perfect example of what I've said- that if we don't agree 100% in your mind we don't agree at all. Let's look at some of the DSA's points:
Labor:
For over a quarter of a century on Wake boards, I have posted support for strong and expanded unions. I've argued with dozens of people that just having unions in every state strengthens earnings of even non-union workers. I've stated hundreds of times that union wages and benefits are critical for even non-union workers.
I've worked for living wage laws when you were in elementary school and for raising the minimum wage for decades. On these boards, I've shown RWers that it's a lie to say raising the minimum wage costs jobs when studies show that employment increases when that happens.
I've stated numerous times that CEOS are grossly overpaid and senior management is actually counter-productive to profitability. It should be given to the workers as this would increase their buying power and lives.
All of this and more aren't enough for you.
Money in politics:
Again, for my entire adult life, I've supported exclusively public financing of elections with no use of personal funds. I've said we should have much shorter election cycles. I was the loudest voice on these boards against Citizens United. Money isn't free speech. It never has been and never will be.
But this isn't enough for you.
Internationalism:
Again, I've been the board's stalwart in saying every day, borders become less meaningful. We should be helping third and fourth world countries for moral, political and economic reasons.
Those are just a few of the ways that I "don't agree with any of the DSA platform". Your blind ego and butthurt keeps you from seeing the very obvious.
As a fun aside, the uber-Trumpy Bobknightfan used to believe that no CEO should be paid over $1,000,000/year.
Im curious how you think this would work. As is apparent from disagreements on, there is a lot of divergence on some key issues. The Dem party would just use us, co-opt our issues, and then discard us. The risk of alienating people that have strong aversion to the Democratic Party is real.
Then your movement is dead. You will take votes from Dems allowing increasingly outrageous Republicans to win with ever shrinking pluralities.
You can hem and haw all you like, but that is reality.
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That’s what people thought would happen to the Tea Party and the Tea Party took over.
It makes more sense to establish DSA as a major force and necessary bloc than to just sit on the sidelines.
I don’t think the situations are very similar at all. Was there any actual grassroots movement in the Tea Party or was it just moneyed interests flexing their influence? The ideologies seem to converge more, whereas with the DSA we seek to keep our movement free from influence of the elite capitalist class. Our ideology diverges more away from liberalism. Just my two cents.