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2020 Democratic Presidential Nominees

RJKarl said:
Russia isn't stupid. There won't be any armed conflict. As to a Cold War, they are acting in that way already. The only way to get them to stop is to make it cost something to them.

Russia is trying to destabilize many EU elections and was involved in the Brexit vote. They are at war and they own our POTUS. It's time it cost them bigly. It's the only was Putin will stop or even cut back.
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What do you think Russia’s response to the widest deepest and longest set of sanctions the word has ever seen will be?
 
WFcatamount22 said:
What do you think Russia’s response to the widest deepest and longest set of sanctions the word has ever seen will be?
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They will stop doing as much to see if we start enacting it. If we do nothing or just the same, they will not stop.
 
My man Mayor Pete comparing Bernie Bros and Trump Rubes was so spot on. This guy gets it.
 
Liquid Karma said:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...g-rights-bernie-sanders-town-hall-bts-vpx.cnn

So while the Bernie Bros are out trying to wreck other candidates, their boy is throwing straight heat claiming the Boston Marathon bomber should have the right to vote.

Enjoy running with that.
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I mean, that was the idiot moderator's line after Bernie suggested convicts should be able to vote. Interesting factoid: prisoners are counted as people with rights when it comes to states and municipalities looking to receive increased federal funding, but that's the end of prisoners' personhoood.
 
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Liquid Karma said:
It's an asinine stance to claim that depriving a mass murderer of their voting privilege is a "slippery slope."
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A right is a right is a right.

ImTheCaptain said:
Bernie bros and the NRA love the slope
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A right is a right is a right. They're both correct that it invites a slippery slope. In the case of the NRA, reforming the Second Amendment would do a lot to take away their asinine argument, but cowards on both sides refuse to make that happen.

Louis Gossett Jr said:
Yeah probably shouldn’t pick someone that 99.9999999 percent of people think should be in jail as your poster boy, the only one that pick appeals too is the crazies that think we need no jail at all, ohh look there’s a M&M.
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Well, he didn't. You probably shouldn't repeat a talking point until you know the context behind the talking point. More thinking with brain, twmd.
 
WFcatamount22 said:
My man Mayor Pete comparing Bernie Bros and Trump Rubes was so spot on. This guy gets it.
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I watched the whole thing - enjoyed a lot of it, for the record - and didn't hear that comparison. You're equally awful when you post for the other team, it turns out.
 
Strickland33 said:
I mean, that was the idiot moderator's line after Bernie suggested convicts should be able to vote. Interesting factoid: prisoners are counted as people with rights when it comes to states and municipalities looking to receive increased federal funding, but that's the end of prisoners' personhoood.
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It's a good argument, but Bernie and others need to own the rhetoric on it. Talk about how the criminal justice system gives out different punishments for the same crimes and government shouldn't be able to pick and choose who has the right to vote. Don't let critics turn this into "OMG that horrible person shouldn't be allowed to vote."
 
I don’t have a problem with felons not being able to vote while still in prison for the felony they committed. Once out of prison the right should return though.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
I don’t have a problem with felons not being able to vote while still in prison for the felony they committed. Once out of prison the right should return though.
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But some people who committed the same felony at the same time are out of prison and free to vote.
 
Yeah different outcomes for the same crimes is a major issue (access to defense resources, odds of being arrested for said crime, odds of prosecutor cutting a deal, etc.).

My thought there is address the reasons why there are different outcomes
 
ImTheCaptain said:
no, one problem is disenfranchisement, the other is unequal application of 'justice'
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No. Unequal application of "justice" is one method of disenfranchisement.
 
Yeah, not being able to vote is a consequence of unequal punishment for similar crimes, don’t change the you aren’t allowed to vote while in prison but instead change the reasons you ended up in prison.
 
PhDeac said:
It's a good argument, but Bernie and others need to own the rhetoric on it. Talk about how the criminal justice system gives out different punishments for the same crimes and government shouldn't be able to pick and choose who has the right to vote. Don't let critics turn this into "OMG that horrible person shouldn't be allowed to vote."
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It was an especially obnoxious move from an exceptionally obnoxious CNN talking head. I'm sure the campaign will respond accordingly, but to put the "bomber" rhetoric squarely on Sanders is not factual. Lots of bad people in this country are protected by rights. That's just how rights and a country with citizenship-based rights work.
 
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