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Danny Manning replacement search thread

sportsnut1 said:
You guys do realize that we would lose Childress, Johnson, White, and very possibly Mucius, Sarr, Chaundee, Wright and recruits Watson and Adams once this staff is fired? This would leave us with a roster of Fr-Djimon, Fr-Gibson, So-Oguama, Jr-Okeke, RFr-Ingraham and So-Wynn, so yes it would take a few years to be respectable considering we can't take JUCO's to fill in the gaps.
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I will take my chances.
 
sportsnut1 said:
You guys do realize that we would lose Childress, Johnson, White, and very possibly Mucius, Sarr, Chaundee, Wright and recruits Watson and Adams once this staff is fired? This would leave us with a roster of Fr-Djimon, Fr-Gibson, So-Oguama, Jr-Okeke, RFr-Ingraham and So-Wynn, so yes it would take a few years to be respectable considering we can't take JUCO's to fill in the gaps.
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Why would we lose them if we get a good coach?

Other than Sarr, who could go pro in France, where would the others go? Your post is Chicken Little on steroids.
 
netflixnchildres said:
Rumors Texas-Austin reached out to gauge Beilein's interest today. We cannot outbid them, so the only hope would be he's not interested in the big state school and he'd be happier with a small private one.
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This would seem to be only good news no? Unless you are totally against a Shaka courtship redux, but only this time it's a win-win if UT is hot after Beilein and thus more agreeable to paying for more of Mannequin's buyout when WFU agrees to do them a solid by helping them avoid a Shaka buyout? Seems like we either have a good shot at luring JB here or worst case, he can help us pry Shaka loose so he can "settle" for doing what he should probably have done 6 years ago?
 
Pilchard said:
Agree that the most likely scenario is the next coach starts from scratch, which is bad in the short run, but if the right hire is made, could be good in the long run. Among the problems (and there were many) with the Bz and Manning hires is that WF thought it was important to avoid a complete rebuild. So, as part of the hiring decision, steps were taken to ensure that previous assistants were retained and keeping the incoming class intact . That plan to "maintain continuity" did not work. No matter what happens, WF is not making a deep tourney run next year; so, I'm fine if WF is 7-23 next year, if the foundation is laid for long term success. That's why I also doubt Beilein or Matta would be interested in the WF job. This isn't situation where WF could be a Sweet 16 team with a couple of tweaks. Best case scenario, WF could make a major move on the NCAA scene in the 2021-22 season.

Also, for all of the Matta love, keep in mind that Manning has taken a team to the NCAAs more recently than Matta has. Not sure why people are banking on WF getting the early in his tOSU career Matta rather than the late in his career Matta.
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This is my view as well re the 2021-22 season at the earliest. Recruiting to Wake has not gotten easier over the lost/last decade. Our arena is 70% empty and we often get run out of the gym. High School kids probably have no recollection of Chris Paul playing at Wake and a rowdy fan base.
 
Some of you Shaka proponents need to help me out. Why do we want a coach who has recruited at a high level, has been to one more NCAA tournament than Manning over the same time frame Manning has been at Wake, and has three more wins this season than Manning ?
 
sportsnut1 said:
You guys do realize that we would lose Childress, Johnson, White, and very possibly Mucius, Sarr, Chaundee, Wright and recruits Watson and Adams once this staff is fired? This would leave us with a roster of Fr-Djimon, Fr-Gibson, So-Oguama, Jr-Okeke, RFr-Ingraham and So-Wynn, so yes it would take a few years to be respectable considering we can't take JUCO's to fill in the gaps.
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Johnson isn't a loss; he needs to go anyway. Childress is a senior. Sarr might go to Europe.
White, Mucius, Chaundee, and Wright (as well as Adam's and Watson) are not guaranteed to leave. It completely depends on who we hire. You get the right coach with the right personality and he can easily hold onto all or most of those guys.
 
Childress, Johnson and White are gone unless Tory gets a 7th year of eligibility.

Sarr has developed the skills to at least merit a decent payday in France. Can't see him staying to play for free.

While not a huge loss, seems a certainty that Wright is ready to enter the transfer portal.

When/if Manning is let go, WF will release all of the incoming recruits from their LOIs as that is standard operating procedure, and programs now get black-balled for not giving recruits the chance for a do over in response to a coaching change. Whomever the new coach is will certainly try to re-recruit those guys, but at least Watson and Adams will have some attractive other options this Spring if/when Manning gets canned and they get released.

That leaves Chaundee and Mucius. There have been a ton of posts speculating that Chaundee wouldn't comeback from his injury, would transfer or would go the route of Crawford and Moore and go pro even if the NBA isn't an option. I have not seen anything to support those claims. Chaundee seems to like WF and his teammates. Anything is possible, but wouldn't be surprised he stayed even after a coaching change. Agree that Mucius is unlikely to leave. He will get all of the PT he can handle next year.

Not saying that WF is playing walk-ons next year, but if people think the present roster lacks talent, there will be a talent reduction next year.

Again, in the long term, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. The new coach is going to have a ton of flexibility to build his own program. WF has sucked at basketball for all but one of the last 10 years. I can deal with sucking for another year or two, if there is a reasonable possibility of building future success.
 
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Pilchard said:
Childress, Johnson and White are gone unless Tory gets a 7th year of eligibility.

Sarr has developed the skills to at least merit a decent payday in France. Can't see him staying to play for free.

While not a huge loss, seems a certainty that Wright is ready to enter the transfer portal.

When/if Manning is let go, WF will release all of the incoming recruits from their LOIs as that is standard operating procedure, and programs now get black-balled for not giving recruits the chance for a do over in response to a coaching change. Whomever the new coach is will certainly try to re-recruit those guys, but at least Watson and Adams will have some attractive other options this Spring if/when Manning gets canned and they get released.

That leaves Chaundee and Mucius. There have been a ton of posts speculating that Chaundee wouldn't comeback from his injury, would transfer or would go the route of Crawford and Moore and go pro even if the NBA isn't an option. I have not seen anything to support those claims. Chaundee seems to like WF and his teammates. Anything is possible, but wouldn't be surprised he stayed even after a coaching change. Agree that Mucius is unlikely to leave. He will get all of the PT he can handle next year.

Not saying that WF is playing walk-ons next year, but if people think the present roster lacks talent, there will be a talent reduction next year.

Again, in the long term, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. The new coach is going to have a ton of flexibility to build his own program. WF has sucked at basketball for all but one of the last 10 years. I can deal with sucking for another year or two, if there is a reasonable possibility of building future success.
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You apparently omitted
Jahcobi Neath
Ody Oguama
Ismael Massoud
Tariq Ingraham
Sunday Okeke

Are they:
Likely to return to Wake, new coach or old?
Transfer?
Vanish from the earth?
 
Deaconblue said:
You apparently omitted
Jahcobi Neath
Ody Oguama
Ismael Massoud
Tariq Ingraham
Sunday Okeke

Are they:
Likely to return to Wake, new coach or old?
Transfer?
Vanish from the earth?
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Doesn't matter. That team sucks.
 
BiffTannen said:
Some of you Shaka proponents need to help me out. Why do we want a coach who has recruited at a high level, has been to one more NCAA tournament than Manning over the same time frame Manning has been at Wake, and has three more wins this season than Manning ?
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Shaka has won 65% of his games and has taken his team to the NCAA tourney in 7 of 10 seasons including one final four (granted it will soon to be 7/11). His teams won the CBI tourney (his first year coaching) and NIT tourney in two of those three seasons that they didn't qualify for the NCAA. Manning, on the other hand, has won 46% of his games, has made the NCAA tourney in 2 out of 7 seasons (if we're including the first four dud), winning 0 tourney games there, though he also qualified for the CBI in his first year (didn't win a game). So yeah, Texas sucks this year, but overall their respective accomplishments are not very similar at all, really. Also Smart is charismatic and not a wooden stiff so call me crazy, but that's preferable in a coach.
 
sportsnut1 said:
You guys do realize that we would lose Childress, Johnson, White, and very possibly Mucius, Sarr, Chaundee, Wright and recruits Watson and Adams once this staff is fired? This would leave us with a roster of Fr-Djimon, Fr-Gibson, So-Oguama, Jr-Okeke, RFr-Ingraham and So-Wynn, so yes it would take a few years to be respectable considering we can't take JUCO's to fill in the gaps.
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Marcus Watson won’t be going anywhere. He’s already signed just like the other incoming players. I doubt Sarr leaves. The only players I see leaving are Chaundee, Mike Wynn and Ingraham. All of the others should expect increased playing time with the new coach. I’d be happy for a change if I was the players, although i’m sure they won’t be.

It may take a year or two, but a good coach can put this program back where it needs to be in one or two. Beilein could do it. He’s a winner.
 
Nut's point was not to say if we fire Manning we will lose all out great players so we should keep him, his point was that who ever the coach is next year, they are more than likely undertaking a big rebuilding effort. We definitely lose a few key players to graduation, Sarr may very well go earn some coin in Europe, Brown may be tired of perpetual losing and transfer. So all the comments that Beilien would have this roster at 500 in the ACC next year are pretty worthless since there will be significant roster turn over, like we seem to have every year despite no one graduating and no one going to the NBA. The question is, does Beilein want to under take a massive rebuild at 68 years old and is the COBRA worth it or will he take a different job before we are willing to make an offer and get him on our insurance plan.
 
RJKarl said:
What a load of projections without any basis in reality.
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What was the issue? Too well-written and coherent for you? Not enough caps?

I know you and Pilchard don’t get along, but I don’t see anything in that post that isn’t based in reality.
 
birdman said:
Nut's point was not to say if we fire Manning we will lose all out great players so we should keep him, his point was that who ever the coach is next year, they are more than likely undertaking a big rebuilding effort. We definitely lose a few key players to graduation, Sarr may very well go earn some coin in Europe, Brown may be tired of perpetual losing and transfer. So all the comments that Beilien would have this roster at 500 in the ACC next year are pretty worthless since there will be significant roster turn over, like we seem to have every year despite no one graduating and no one going to the NBA. The question is, does Beilein want to under take a massive rebuild at 68 years old and is the COBRA worth it or will he take a different job before we are willing to make an offer and get him on our insurance plan.
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The thing is, I’d bet a good amount of money if we hired Beilein he’d have just as talented of a squad playing on the court in November this year as we do now. He’d have some players committed to playing in Winston. He’s coming off of a NBA coaching gig.
 
BiffTannen said:
Some of you Shaka proponents need to help me out. Why do we want a coach who has recruited at a high level, has been to one more NCAA tournament than Manning over the same time frame Manning has been at Wake, and has three more wins this season than Manning ?
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completely ageee
 
So this is apparently obvious to everyone but me but why would Chaundee leave if we hire a substantially better coach?
 
BiffTannen said:
Doesn't matter. That team sucks.
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Massoud will carry a three point make percentage around 40 into next season. Lotta coaches would like a 6-8 shooter who "sucked" like that. Ody has had moments, both good and bad that show he is a freshman who needs guidance.

Tariq Ingraham hasn't played a minute of college basketball he is much more a giant ? than anything. At 6-9, 250, he should have good ability to get position for paint touches.
 
birdman said:
Nut's point was not to say if we fire Manning we will lose all out great players so we should keep him, his point was that who ever the coach is next year, they are more than likely undertaking a big rebuilding effort. We definitely lose a few key players to graduation, Sarr may very well go earn some coin in Europe, Brown may be tired of perpetual losing and transfer. So all the comments that Beilien would have this roster at 500 in the ACC next year are pretty worthless since there will be significant roster turn over, like we seem to have every year despite no one graduating and no one going to the NBA. The question is, does Beilein want to under take a massive rebuild at 68 years old and is the COBRA worth it or will he take a different job before we are willing to make an offer and get him on our insurance plan.
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I can't imagine Beilein is interested, but judging from his past efforts at West Virginia and Michigan I'd assume he'd expect to be a tourney team in 2-3 years tops.
 
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