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Danny Manning replacement search thread

scooter84 said:
In order to miss you have to swing. We never swung toward either of those two - we do have standards. Wojo could take Marquette to 5 final 4s in a row and I would be happy to continue passing on him.
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Wojo has vastly underachieved at Marquette
 
I don’t know why, but the idea of a Russell Turner hire bores me to tears.

I know next to nothing about him. He just seems completely devoid of an exciting personality.

Feels like a guy whose upside would be 11-9 in the ACC and would coach here for 15 years without accomplishing anything.

I have zero facts to support any of this.
 
DeacsATS said:
I don’t know why, but the idea of a Russell Turner hire bores me to tears.

I know next to nothing about him. He just seems completely devoid of an exciting personality.

Feels like a guy whose upside would be 11-9 in the ACC and would coach here for 15 years without accomplishing anything.

I have zero facts to support any of this.
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I agree boring. But researching the facts would indicate he's a good mid-major option. In the decade before he arrived UC-I didn't finish first. Within 4 years they started a string of 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st. Two NCAA trips and an upset win last year over K-State and advanced to the round of 32. They went 31-6. KenPom in Top 100 5 of the last 7 years. P6 recruiting experience at Wake and Stanford with NBA asst coaching experience also. Once again, I agree he is kind of boring. But a very good mid-major hire with all the stats/numbers that folks on here keep putting out there as a threshold for hiring mid-major guys.
 
Also, I don't think it comes down to hiring a Duke, UNC, whatever coach this time around...there are plenty of better options out there than Wojo and Wes Miller. I think an absolute home run hire would be Matta. Barnes/Beilein are basically in the same tier and would be great choices, but the rebuild is going to take at least 2-3 years and I think both of them have a solid 5-8 years left of coaching (if they want), so we'll be right back to the drawing board in the near future. The other issue is I think all three of those choices are long shots.

Shaka...eh, it's a risk, but I think it's the most intriguing 'risk' there is. Texas acts like he's a bad coach. They have completely unrealistic expectations for their hoops program. He's been to the NCAAT 2/5 years and won the NIT. I worry about how his system would translate to a P5 conference and the ACC in particular, but he could be a 20+ year HC and I think he would recruit really well on the East coast.

Forbes is right there as well, but I'd rather roll the dice on Shaka. Plus I think we could get him for a bargain at this stage...
 
There are two factors at play:

- The level of excitement of the hire (winning the press conference)
- The actual impact of the hire (winning games and turning around a listless program).

The first factor really is not important once the games start again next fall. WF could hire Tom Izzo, and we all would be thrilled and excited, but if the next 10 years look like the last 10 years that initial excitement would be meaningless.

We could hire Les Robinson (who is now 77 and last worked as the interim AD at Lander University), and obviously, everyone would hate the hire, but if WF made its first final 4 in 50 years in 2022 with old "ACC Play-in Game" Les, the initial furor after the hire would be meaningless.

So, at the end of the day, whether everyone loves the hire or hates the hire or is apathetic about the hire, none of it mattes. The only thing that matters is winning games, becoming a regular participant in the NCAA tournament, and getting excited on gameday against Duke, because everyone believes WF can win.

Part me hopes that Currie hires someone that EVERYONE HATES initially. Simply because that means that Currie didn't care about winning the press conference, but made the hire because he committed to the belief that the next coach will turn around WF basketball, even if WF fractured and pessimistic fanbase initially objected
 
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DeacsATS said:
Just realized the reason I hate Turner as an option is because he reminds me of myself at my job.

Just good enough.
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:bowrofl: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DeacsATS again.
 
The last two very boring coaches haven’t worked out so don’t want a third one. No Turner please.
 
netflixnchildres said:
Turner is an older, more boring version of Wes Miller. His teams play defense, have no offense, and he has ties to Wake Forest without having attended undergrad here.
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So in other words you are "bored" by winning basketball? I see. The kind of winning basketball we had under GDO with 2 ACC titles and lots of points scored also or games that could grind down, defense played and we controlled the basketball instead of turning it over and made our FT's to win the game [in other words averaged 20 wins per season]. Just in case you have not seen Russell Turner's actual record, last season he went 31-6 and won an NCAA game. The past 8 seasons he has won 20 games 7 times including this season soon since UC-I is 19-10 & 11-2 and 3.5 games in first place]. They are a 1 team league and he has gone twice to the NCAA but he has won in order--21, 23, 21, 28, 21, 18, 31 & now 19 games in these past years.

His wife Liz went to Wake Med School and was in school out at Stanford so it is possible he could not move for a while. Now she is a critical care physician for Kaiser Permanente. She would fit in well at the Wake Forest medical campus also! So we would get a great "two-fer".
 
deaclite said:
The last two very boring coaches haven’t worked out so don’t want a third one. No Turner please.
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The last two failed because they weren't good coaches, not because they were boring. Turner with a far better resume than either of those guys, so not an apples to apples comparison. I think you could argue Dave Odom was a "boring" hire...and he turned out to be the best coach we've had in the past 50+ years.
 
Pilchard said:
There are two factors at play:

- The level of excitement of the hire (winning the press conference)
- The actual impact of the hire (winning games and turning around a listless program).

The first factor really is not important once the games start again next fall. WF could hire Tom Izzo, and we all would be thrilled and excited, but if the next 10 years look like the last 10 years that initial excitement would be meaningless.

We could hire Les Robinson (who is now 77 and last worked as the interim AD at Lander University), and obviously, everyone would hate the hire, but if WF made its first final 4 in 50 years in 2022 with old "ACC Play-in Game" Les, the initial furor after the hire would be meaningless.

So, at the end of the day, whether everyone loves the hire or hates the hire or is apathetic about the hire, none of it mattes. The only thing that matters is winning games, becoming a regular participant in the NCAA tournament, and getting excited on gameday against Duke, because everyone believes WF can win.

Part me hopes that Currie hires someone that EVERYONE HATES initially. Simply because that means that Currie didn't care about winning the press conference, but made the hire because he committed to the belief that the next coach will turn around WF basketball, even if WF fractured and pessimistic fanbase initially objected
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At the risk of sounding like I'm defending [Redacted] (I am not!), part of his problem was how badly he lost that press conference. He never recovered. The fact that he was also an awful person and a loser was a bigger problem, but the guy never stood a chance absent some pretty immediate results.
 
Do you know who has just as good of a college HC record as Russell Turner? Travis DeCuire at Montana. They're the same age and DeCuire has a better win percentage and he's poised to make his third dance in a row this year. Neither would be an exciting hire. The only reason why anyone is talking about Turner is because he coached here two decades ago. I honestly don't understand the infatuation with anyone who has some tie to Wake.

The only hire with Wake ties that would be exciting is Mack and (channeling my inner DR) that ship sailed when we missed our chance to hire him in 2014.
 
TheReff said:
So in other words you are "bored" by winning basketball? I see. The kind of winning basketball we had under GDO with 2 ACC titles and lots of points scored also or games that could grind down, defense played and we controlled the basketball instead of turning it over and made our FT's to win the game [in other words averaged 20 wins per season]. Just in case you have not seen Russell Turner's actual record, last season he went 31-6 and won an NCAA game. The past 8 seasons he has won 20 games 7 times including this season soon since UC-I is 19-10 & 11-2 and 3.5 games in first place]. They are a 1 team league and he has gone twice to the NCAA but he has won in order--21, 23, 21, 28, 21, 18, 31 & now 19 games in these past years.

His wife Liz went to Wake Med School and was in school out at Stanford so it is possible he could not move for a while. Now she is a critical care physician for Kaiser Permanente. She would fit in well at the Wake Forest medical campus also! So we would get a great "two-fer".
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Good job Reff...we must have been writing these similar responses at the exact same time! You would think after the last decade of futility that Davey O kind of "boring" would be pretty exciting actually.
 
The 2005 Duke at Wake game is currently on Espnu. For those who forget what Wake basketball was and can be, this game is a good reminder. Wellman should have been tarred and feathered on his way out of town.
 
Frosty said:
Do you know who has just as good of a college HC record as Russell Turner? Travis DeCuire at Montana. They're the same age and DeCuire has a better win percentage and he's poised to make his third dance in a row this year. Neither would be an exciting hire. The only reason why anyone is talking about Turner is because he coached here two decades ago. I honestly don't understand the infatuation with anyone who has some tie to Wake.

The only hire with Wake ties that would be exciting is Mack and (channeling my inner DR) that ship sailed when we missed our chance to hire him in 2014.
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I honestly don't understand why you would want someone with a similar record...not a better one... that doesn't have ties to Wake. That, in my opinion, makes no sense. If you are arguing Forbes or Anthony Grant (or someone like that) and other mid-major guys, I get it. But if we are parsing the minutia of resumes for very good candidates, I don't understand for the life of me why the scale would tip to someone who has no idea about Wake over someone who does. Weird.
 
TheReff said:
His wife Liz went to Wake Med School and was in school out at Stanford so it is possible he could not move for a while. Now she is a critical care physician for Kaiser Permanente. She would fit in well at the Wake Forest medical campus also! So we would get a great "two-fer".
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And Maya Smart would have been a great fit in the journalism program, but HATCH had to go and FUCK SHAKA.
 
Deacs9394 said:
I honestly don't understand why you would want someone with a similar record...not a better one... that doesn't have ties to Wake. That, in my opinion, makes no sense. If you are arguing Forbes or Anthony Grant (or someone like that) and other mid-major guys, I get it. But if we are parsing the minutia of resumes for very good candidates, I don't understand for the life of me why the scale would tip to someone who has no idea about Wake over someone who does. Weird.
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To be clear, I don't want either of them. The point is that the only reason why anyone is talking about Turner is because he was an assistant at Wake 20 years ago. Russell Turner would be a LOWF hire.
 
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