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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

palmab03 said:
Tough call, what do we want the police to be doing now? I want them to get people off the streets without killing them. Tons of looting going on right now, and everyone's ordered to get off the streets.
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The police need to be de-escalating. 99% of the time, the riot gear comes out before the riots. It’s not a coincidence that the looting in DC has only happened after Secret Service and Park Police escalated and used tear gas. The rest of the city, which is policed by DC cops, has stayed peaceful.

Let people march. Let people block the streets. Arrest the individual looters
 
Newenglanddeac said:
He also needs to improve his reading comprehension.

1. I made one comment about the need for people to be careful with what they read, share or interact with because twitter is still a cesspool of trolls from foreign countries. That does not equate to trying to “turn this into Russiagate 2.0” or whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean.

2. The mayor of St Paul originally said “every single person” who was arrested the other night was from out of state. He now no longer believes it was “every single person” but there were still out of state people arrested.


And finally yeah Townie...you’re not helping your cause here with a constant barrage of douchey and immature insults directed to people who generally agree with you. And if I feel that way, think about how you must come across to people who are beginning to think for the very first time in their lives “hey we need to do something about structural racism and police brutality”.

Your level of maturity on these boards is counterproductive. You are literally trying to end widespread systemic bullying while being a bully yourself.
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I made a comment about how the arrest records would be public information. Apparently those same records demonstrated that people were in fact local who were being arrested.
 
It’s easy for all of us to make caricatures out of each other’s arguments and argue against those instead of the points people are attempting to make. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again just for the sake of context, I’m harsher here against liberals of all stripes than I am against conservatives, and that tends to be counterproductive most of the time to good discourse. Sometimes it’s a case of misplaced anger or concern, but many times it’s genuine frustration directed squarely at mainstream ideology of change. Regardless the last thing I want to do is center myself in a discussion about police brutality. That’s rjkarl nonsense. And at the same time I don’t apologize for my opinions or rhetoric, if it’s inflammatory or shit-posty to you, deal with it. I’ll try to keep the ad hominem to a minimum.

But one more time so everyone can hear, Putin isn’t organizing these protests any more than Soros or the KKK.
 
I don’t think anybody said Putin is organizing these protests. That’s making a caricature of what we fundamentally know about how Russian actors are meddling in US affairs.
 
PhDeac said:
I don’t think anybody said Putin is organizing these protests. That’s making a caricature of what we fundamentally know about how Russian actors are meddling in US affairs.
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And the same people warning us about Russian bot misinfo fell prey to Minnesota pols spreading intentional misinformation.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
You think he was one of the cops firing tear gas cannisters and rubber bullets at people's eyeballs? As long as "restoring order" requires excessive, indescriminate violence, such as shooting at people's porches on residential streets, then of course those cops are going to be met with violence. Death is tragic, but don't pretend like the police aren't catalyzing and escalating the violence.
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The cops have the guns. Pretty reasonable to assume he was shot by a cop.
 
TownieDeac said:
It’s easy for all of us to make caricatures out of each other’s arguments and argue against those instead of the points people are attempting to make. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again just for the sake of context, I’m harsher here against liberals of all stripes than I am against conservatives, and that tends to be counterproductive most of the time to good discourse. Sometimes it’s a case of misplaced anger or concern, but many times it’s genuine frustration directed squarely at mainstream ideology of change. Regardless the last thing I want to do is center myself in a discussion about police brutality. That’s rjkarl nonsense. And at the same time I don’t apologize for my opinions or rhetoric, if it’s inflammatory or shit-posty to you, deal with it. I’ll try to keep the ad hominem to a minimum.

But one more time so everyone can hear, Putin isn’t organizing these protests any more than Soros or the KKK.
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Then don't be constantly whining about how other posters are mean to you. That's where the passive aggressive comes in.
 
I disagree strongly with MHB re: cops joining protests. They did in Camden as well, and I think it’s great.

 
ConnorEl said:
Anyone from our little ogb community out there in, or anticipate going into, the mayhem?
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Got called into work about 8pm last night. Got in a good bit of walking in downtown Greensboro, live camera on the Facebook for about 2 hours. Our boss called us back after the 11pm news. Apparently after we left, some shops on Elm Street had some windows busted. Considering what I've seen from other spots, Greensboro was fairly peaceful. Our reporter took a rock to the back, and we all choked on a little CS gas. A glass with some pepper liquid busted on the ground between me and a police officer, and that wasn't pleasant.

Glad I am home safe.
 
 
PhDeac said:
The cops have the guns. Pretty reasonable to assume he was shot by a cop.
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I was more commenting on the post than the incident. I don't know the details of the event, but his death is tragic under any circumstances. My point was that a death under the circumstances of the violence between protestors and cops, is unsurprising, and that the police are just as responsible as the protestors for it, if not much more so in many cases
 
palmab03 said:
I don't know the answer to the question, but if there's an order in place to not be outside, does that extend to the press?
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No it doesn't. Press is allowed to cover what is going on. They do that at their own risk, and the risk is getting pepper spray in the face.
 
TownieDeac said:
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Yep. It’s pretty common across media but it sticks out when NYT does it. They try to represent both sides but they don’t do it equally.
 
tvcigar said:
No it doesn't. Press is allowed to cover what is going on. They do that at their own risk, and the risk is getting pepper spray in the face.
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I'm honestly asking, does your post imply that maiming the press, after they've identified themselves, is just or injust?
 
PhDeac said:
Yep. It’s pretty common across media but it sticks out when NYT does it. They try to represent both sides but they don’t do it equally.
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A common refrain here too is this is how police are acting with media coverage. Imagine what they do when the cameras aren’t rolling.
 
TownieDeac said:
I disagree strongly with MHB re: cops joining protests. They did in Camden as well, and I think it’s great.

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Just remember this the next time Camden police kill someone and cover it up.
 
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