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Ongoing US GOP Debacle Thread: Seditious Republicans march toward authoritarianism

Imagine being so desperate to seem important that you try to turn volunteering at a phone bank into “working” for a senator.
 
PhDeac said:
So your argument is truth = bad. Gotcha.

I’ll post some examples about how Facebook has been helpful later. Again, Facebook is better if your Aunt Linda isn’t a shitty Trumper.

Well said, Cav.
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That's it? You spent all that money to go to Duke to become a sociologist and your reply to someone trying to challenge the notion that this software that exposes the ugliness inside family members and acquaintances is a good thing for their lives, is truth=bad? I've been beating this drum for months and you've never cited any sociological arguments or studies outlining the complexities that this data has introduced to our lives, how it has indelibly changed family and social dynamics - for good and/or bad - and all you got is "your argument is truth=bad" and "FB is better if your Aunt isn't a shitty Trumper?" Are you really a sociologist? There is a whole thread and thousands of posts on this board dedicated to the fact that everyone has a shitty Aunt Linda or Rusty from 7th grade, and your reply is about as deep as a 14 year old girl defending her IG story. I would think you've read and written countless papers or studies for peer review about social media in academia, no?

I'm wondering, now that you know Linda and Rusty are shitty, what are you doing with that information? Blackballing them forever from xmas dinner? Cleaning out your FB friends to include only those who agree with you politically and socially? No one does this to any real degree. If so, there would never be an anecdotal post on this board or the Facebook crazies thread about it. Un-friending relatives and some lifelong friends isn't as easy as you make it sound, and of all posters I would think you would have the deepest understanding of complex social relationships. So what are you doing about it, and how does it improve your life or your political movements to now have confirmation that Aunt Linda is homophobic? Is it useful to you beyond score-keeping or sorting or puerile voyeuristic satisfaction of "knowing" ugly things about people? You put a value on knowing the "truth" about Linda. Are you intervening with her to educate her and open her eyes to her ugliness?
 
DeaconCav06 said:
I think we are just learning that Uncle John’s racist rants at Thanksgiving are how he feels all the time and it’s not just that he’s had too many G and Ts.
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I think I'm pretty good at nailing down when people are showing me their cards or not. I don't need for Zuckerberg and his nerdy little 'hot or not' app to know that Uncle John is basically scared of black people (all racism is couched in fear) and the best course of action is probably to challenge him on it in a tactful way over another G and T in the living room and maybe open his eyes a little, rather than argue him down on the internet in front of every single family member and friend he has on there causing him to retreat into his racism even more and piss off Aunt Grace and the cousins who just want to look at family pics there.
 
Post some code. Are you sure you're in IT?

If you know how to use a computer, you can do a search for what you want to know.

Plenty of people are clearing out their FB. But there are plenty of ways to laugh about crazy stuff people post on FB without being friends with crazy people.
 
WakeandBake said:
That's it? You spent all that money to go to Duke to become a sociologist and your reply to someone trying to challenge the notion that this software that exposes the ugliness inside family members and acquaintances is a good thing for their lives, is truth=bad? I've been beating this drum for months and you've never cited any sociological arguments or studies outlining the complexities that this data has introduced to our lives, how it has indelibly changed family and social dynamics - for good and/or bad - and all you got is "your argument is truth=bad" and "FB is better if your Aunt isn't a shitty Trumper?" Are you really a sociologist? There is a whole thread and thousands of posts on this board dedicated to the fact that everyone has a shitty Aunt Linda or Rusty from 7th grade, and your reply is about as deep as a 14 year old girl defending her IG story. I would think you've read and written countless papers or studies for peer review about social media in academia, no?

I'm wondering, now that you know Linda and Rusty are shitty, what are you doing with that information? Blackballing them forever from xmas dinner? Cleaning out your FB friends to include only those who agree with you politically and socially? No one does this to any real degree. If so, there would never be an anecdotal post on this board or the Facebook crazies thread about it. Un-friending relatives and some lifelong friends isn't as easy as you make it sound, and of all posters I would think you would have the deepest understanding of complex social relationships. So what are you doing about it, and how does it improve your life or your political movements to now have confirmation that Aunt Linda is homophobic? Is it useful to you beyond score-keeping or sorting or puerile voyeuristic satisfaction of "knowing" ugly things about people? You put a value on knowing the "truth" about Linda. Are you intervening with her to educate her and open her eyes to her ugliness?
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Pretty big difference in my mind between family you'll see at holidays and casual acquaintances or public figures. Everyone has always had extended family they barely tolerate seeing at holidays even way before social media. You just ignore their bullshit and stick to safe conversation topics.

But if it's a casual acquaintance who is posting heinous shit, hell yeah I'm going to cut them off. Life is too short man. Same with entertainers. You could live your life pretty happily without ever listening to another Unknown Hinson song. There are plenty of musicians out there who aren't racists. So why not spend your time and money and attention on them?
 
I don’t have a PhD in IT from one of the top schools in the nation. Im not paid and relied upon to conduct and publish research on IT for the benefit of expanding knowledge and theories. I’m public school filth that bullshitted and scraped out a decent living in IT by sheer will. Sorry to come off as a dick but I figured the study of sociology, specifically, would be going through a sea change as social media has exploded in the past 10 or 15 years, and that you would have insight into arguments occurring in academia about the changing dynamics of social interaction. I get it, you like FB and I’m an old crank troll who doesn’t and wants to poo poo it, but I was looking for some discussion and provoke some thought about what the fuck people and good movements like BLM are supposed to do with aunt Linda’s bullshit besides be sad/mad about it, and I think you’ve answered through non answer - nothing.
 
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Feel free to pay me to write you a lit review and conduct some research. Otherwise you get my informed opinion and whatever else I feel like sharing.
 
WakeandBake said:
I don’t have a PhD in IT from one of the top schools in the nation. Im not paid and relied upon to conduct and publish research on IT for the benefit of expanding knowledge and theories. I’m public school filth that bullshitted and scraped out a decent living in IT by sheer will. Sorry to come off as a dick but I figured the study of sociology, specifically, would be going through a sea change as social media has exploded in the past 10 or 15 years, and that you would have insight into arguments occurring in academia about the changing dynamics of social interaction. I get it, you like FB and I’m an old crank troll who doesn’t and wants to poo poo it, but I was looking for some discussion and provoke some thought about what the fuck people and good movements like BLM are supposed to do with aunt Linda’s bullshit besides be sad/mad about it, and I think you’ve answered through non answer - nothing.
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other thing to consider is that a movement like BLM likely wouldn't have the nationwide reach it does without social media
 
 
Remember when people tried to argue that Trump wasn’t the leader of the Republican Party. They were right. He is the Republican Party.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
other thing to consider is that a movement like BLM likely wouldn't have the nationwide reach it does without social media
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Agreed. Arab spring and other movements leap to mind as well, underscoring the complex dichotomy of a social medium unparalleled in the human experience. As we speak it is being used to simultaneously offer support and comfort to millions of people while fomenting hatred, fear, corruption, and violence against them - all in real time as events unfold and often causing the events to unfold. from my vantage point, off of SM for 7 years now, the good more often than gets drowned out or it’s power diminished by shitfucks purposefully making noise and distorting and filling aunt Linda with ideas worse than she had prior. Maybe not but interesting to me
 
Social media is a cancer. This board is an example of the echo chamber mentality on the one hand or if you are lucky virtual bar fights with no risk in the form of insults.


But if you want a better look Wolsfeld's Arab spring piece is a good start. He theorizes the political movement starts first and then social media follows.
 
Missing from the so-called “Republican” convention:

Their only living former president
2 living former VPs
The 2012 presidential nominee/current sitting senator
The 2012 VP nominee/former Speaker of the House
The Speaker the man above replaced
The 2008 VP nominee (the 2008 POTUS nominee wouldn’t have been invited)
 
Trump will be forgotten after his loss. It is a good example of the nativist movement and evangelical movement rising since 2010 and finding a vessel who is social media.
 
John boehner said he'd rather set himself on fire than participate in this election
 
The Republican Party has adopted no platform other than supporting Trump.

Next platform will be 2024.
 
centerdeac said:
Trump will be forgotten after his loss. It is a good example of the nativist movement and evangelical movement rising since 2010 and finding a vessel who is social media.
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If Trump loses (and IF he vacates the White House peacefully), he will command an incredible media megaphone and his dumb ass followers will hang on his every word. Anyone who wants to be nominated from the right will try to get his stamp of approval for the foreseeable future.
 
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