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2020 Presidential Election: Biden v. Trump

I think Biden was smart to push for an in person second debate but delayed a week. Apparently everyone but Trump and his yes men realize the more Trump there is and the more he talks the worse he does.
 
Democrats need to redefine "fiscal responsibility" away from deficits to making sure people get good value for their tax dollars.
 
DeaconCav06 said:
I’m right of center and voting a straight Democratic ticket this year.
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If you vote a straight Dem ticket (presumably because Orange Man Baddddd) you are not right of center.

That means you support center left to progressive policies regardless of the party affiliation listed on your voter registration.
 
PhDeac said:
Democrats need to redefine "fiscal responsibility" away from deficits to making sure people get good value for their tax dollars.
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Or both.

The latter seems always a good to pursue.

The former depends on current conditions.
 
Both parties do plenty of deficit spending, but Dems actually try and get revenue in.
 
Colonel Angus said:
If you vote a straight Dem ticket (presumably because Orange Man Baddddd) you are not right of center.

That means you support center left to progressive policies regardless of the party affiliation listed on your voter registration.
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...or maybe it’s about recognizing the dishonest and destructive rot of the Republican Party goes far deeper than the buffoon in the WH.
 
TownieDeac said:
Both parties do plenty of deficit spending, but Dems actually try and get revenue in.
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Right. Somehow "tax and spend" or spending money we have is not seeing as fiscal responsibility but cutting taxes for the rich and spending money we don't have is fiscal responsibility.
 
ConnorEl said:
...or maybe it’s about recognizing the dishonest and destructive rot of the Republican Party goes far deeper than the buffoon in the WH.
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So now we are back to Dems = good and Pubs = bad?

Got it.
 
So Trump is pulling himself out of next week’s townhall style debate because he’s a whiny little bitch. Dude is always playing the victim card. Always.
 
06deacon said:
I guess it depends on the extent of brazen dishonesty and disingenuity you’re going for but sure. I hope you’re not interpreting my comment as a lock step defense of everything Harris is ever done.

IMO “She and her party didn’t go as far as they could/should have on a policy” is not in the same plane as inventing a ridiculous hypothetical to bosides a quarter million covid deaths but I suppose that’s just my opinion
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Look I completely agree re: the bozos here defending the Trump white house.

But for a moment let's not let the GOP's actions be the bar to clear. You'd asked for something brazenly dishonest Kamala said, and this is it for me. It's like Biden changing his line about Iraq or the crime bill over time, really very dishonest.

The settlement banks got away with in 2012 wasn't "standing up to banks" or even meaningfully regulating them. You couple it with the bailout and not pursuing any criminal prosecution and it's more akin to enabling their activities than it is standing up to them. If Kamala were on a committee or were in Congress getting testimony out of bank executives a la Warren or Katie Porter, even that would be standing up to banks. But her job was negotiating with them something that wouldn't be too punitive to stop the financial recovery of Wall St. It was the equivalent of a one week revenue penalty for banks who intentionally defrauded Americans and cratered the economy for half a decade; she shouldn't really be taking credit for standing up to them. Mnuchin was one of her biggest donors!
 
Newenglanddeac said:
So Trump is pulling himself out of next week’s townhall style debate because he’s a whiny little bitch. Dude is always playing the victim card. Always.
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for someone who the right loves depicting as a big strong muscle guy trouncing all comers (see Ben Garrison cartoons) he sure is the antithesis of that
 
PhDeac said:
Right. Somehow "tax and spend" or spending money we have is not seeing as fiscal responsibility but cutting taxes for the rich and spending money we don't have is fiscal responsibility.
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ConnorEl said:
Yep
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I'm actually of the mind that apart from the moderately regressive tax structure in America, our taxes are probably too high generally. Corporate taxes certainly so. Where I'm 100% with conservatives is in simplifying the tax code; of course it is lobbyists for corporate and ultra-wealthy concerns who intentionally write tax law to make it extremely complicated and create loopholes. Were we to essentially eliminate all deductions entirely and make an extremely simple progressive tax structure starting at 0 for people at 1.25x poverty line and capping at something like 25% > $1MM but making it impossible to do any kind of tax avoidance, not only would it be easier to collect revenues (and avoid tax cheating), it'd lower the administrative overhead too. Just funding the IRS would accomplish some of these aims too. Simple shit!
 
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