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Official Election Month Thread: COUP falls short, nothing to see here

I don't think the Republican fractures are that deep. The few Republicans that speak out with conviction are quickly purged.
 
birdman said:
Junebug...is this normal?!?
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Depends on what you mean by normal.

House Dems objected to Florida’s slate of electors in W’s victory in 2001, Ohio’s slate in W’s victory in 2005, and, as I understand it, several states’ slates in Trump’s victory in 2017. In 2005, Barbara Boxer joined the objection in the Senate, which required the objection be voted on by the full Congress. In the vote, 31 house Dems voted to reject Ohio’s electors, as did Boxer.

So, yes, there is recent precedent for challenging election results in Congress. In fact, house Dems objected in all 3 of the Pubs’ most recent election wins, and one such challenged required a vote. The challenge that is coming tomorrow is different in degree, in that many more congresspeople will join in, but similar in kind.

And for the record, I think all of the challenges I’ve discussed—including the one that will come tomorrow—were (are) flawed, irresponsible, anti-democratic, harmful to the institutions of Congress and the Presidency, and, likely, unconstitutional.
 
How many Ds objected and was it because they didn’t believe the results of the election and hoped to overturn it?
 
Pubs know this isn’t going anywhere either. Dems control the House. It’s a stunt with no upside, which is why Mitch wanted to shut it down.
 
WakeBored said:
Pubs know this isn’t going anywhere either. Dems control the House. It’s a stunt with no upside, which is why Mitch wanted to shut it down.
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but the point is if the Rs controlled the House then they could get somewhere with it when they have no proper claims for voter fraud
 
BarcaDeac said:
but the point is if the Rs controlled the House then they could get somewhere with it when they have no proper claims for voter fraud
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Exactly. If Pubs control both houses of Congress after 2022, the 2024 election doesn't really matter. Republicans who lose their seats will claim fraud and they'll refuse to seat Dems who win. Then they'll name Trump president.

Junebug, you've underestimated Republican corruption every step of the way. The Republican base earnestly believes Trump will remain President because of fraud that wasn't even presented in court. This is your party. These are your people. They're trying to subvert democracy. You know this. Don't downplay it.
 
WFFaithful said:
I don't think the Republican fractures are that deep. The few Republicans that speak out with conviction are quickly purged.
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Pub blue state governors and senators like Romney, Sasse and Murkowski have not been purged. And it's not like Trump treats mostly compliant governors like Kemp and DeSantis any better than the Hogans, Bakers and Dewines of the world. I've seen a few different articles just today talking about those fractures, 1 from The Hill. I think Sasse is correct that GOP DC pols are mostly just doing what they can to humor Trump and his supporters before the GA runoff and the inauguration and hoping against hope that he goes quietly or loudly into the night on 1/20. And I don't think any of us really know what the new reality will be and how beholden DC pols are to Trump come 1/21.
 
Republican State Senate Majority in Pennsylvania refusing to swear in a Democratic Senator - certified winner, because the Republican candidate who lost refuses to concede.
 
BarcaDeac said:
but the point is if the Rs controlled the House then they could get somewhere with it when they have no proper claims for voter fraud
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I disagree. I think there are enough pub congresspeople who are uneasy enough with this as it is—a stunt—that they wouldn’t go along if there were an actual chance that it could overturn the election. There are some pubs who are true believers, to be sure, but the vast majority of pubs don’t actually want Trump to retain the White House if it means there will literally be blood in the streets.

In any event, we won’t get to find out, because neither the house nor the senate is going to vote to overturn the election.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Republican State Senate Majority in Pennsylvania refusing to swear in a Democratic Senator - certified winner, because the Republican candidate who lost refuses to concede.
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god this is so fucked up.Trump's party has opened the floodgates now. There are going to be shenanigans like this all over the fucking country.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Republican State Senate Majority in Pennsylvania refusing to swear in a Democratic Senator - certified winner, because the Republican candidate who lost refuses to concede.
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Ridiculous petty stunt by that Demo-RAT trying to get sworn in before the Republican concedes. What happened to norms ?!?
 
WakeBored said:
I disagree. I think there are enough pub congresspeople who are uneasy enough with this as it is—a stunt—that they wouldn’t go along if there were an actual chance that it could overturn the election. There are some pubs who are true believers, to be sure, but the vast majority of pubs don’t actually want Trump to retain the White House if it means there will literally be blood in the streets.

In any event, we won’t get to find out, because neither the house nor the senate is going to vote to overturn the election.
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*this year
 
what is it with board Rs (except Pops who FINALLY saw the light a couple of days ago) who think that their old party still exists and that they will do the right thing when given the chance? Trump has changed your party forever.
 
BarcaDeac said:
what is it with board Rs (except Pops who FINALLY saw the light a couple of days ago) who think that their old party still exists and that they will do the right thing when given the chance? Trump has changed your party forever.
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Trump did not change the party. Trump was the logical next step for where the party had been headed for the last 30+ years
 
cville deac said:
Pub blue state governors and senators like Romney, Sasse and Murkowski have not been purged. And it's not like Trump treats mostly compliant governors like Kemp and DeSantis any better than the Hogans, Bakers and Dewines of the world. I've seen a few different articles just today talking about those fractures, 1 from The Hill. I think Sasse is correct that GOP DC pols are mostly just doing what they can to humor Trump and his supporters before the GA runoff and the inauguration and hoping against hope that he goes quietly or loudly into the night on 1/20. And I don't think any of us really know what the new reality will be and how beholden DC pols are to Trump come 1/21.
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Murkowski and Romney weren't on the ballot. Nebraska is hardly a blue state. Collins' criticism has not gone beyond "concern."

I don't buy that they are just spineless to say anything until after 1/21. This is who they are.
 
BarcaDeac said:
what is it with board Rs (except Pops who FINALLY saw the light a couple of days ago) who think that their old party still exists and that they will do the right thing when given the chance? Trump has changed your party forever.
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If I didn’t disagree with you, I would have left the party a long time ago.
 
BeachBumDeac said:
Trump did not change the party. Trump was the logical next step for where the party had been headed for the last 30+ years
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If I didn’t disagree with you, I would have left the party a long time ago.
 
WakeBored said:
If I didn’t disagree with you, I would have left the party a long time ago.
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it all started when they put Palin on the ticket...you had time and ample reason to leave like the rest of us.
 
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