2022 races (and 2021 for weird commonwealths like Virginia)

[Liquid Karma]

IDK, 80 something million voters doesn't capture all that you seem to think it does. You used to be kinda right about that, but Dems punted the poor working class and Trump picked them up. Discussed many times.

He then proceeded to not do a damn thing about it other than massage their fears and somehow convince them that immigrants and other poor people were to blame for their situation.

 

[WakeandBake]

Dems punted the poor working class and Trump picked them up. Discussed many times.

Those working class voters who left the Dems in the rust belt and coal belt or whatever left because the democrats didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. The new-Trump-populist-GOP tells them whatever they want to hear, does nothing about it, then when things don't get better blames the dems and says "they punted on you and we are here for you" despite doing dick for them.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

yeah, please list the things the GOP has done for the working class

thanks in advance

 

[Louis Gossett Jr]

Less taxes for when they win powerball.

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

statistically the American working class is poorer, racially diverse and lives in cities. Not white construction foremen with pontoon boats and 60 thousand dollar trucks.

You did that thing again where you make up bullshit

Dems punted the poor working class* and Trump picked them up.

“According to early polls, voters with household incomes of less than $50,000 in 2019 broke for Biden by 55 to 43 percent — a 12 point margin, compared to 8 four years ago. This helped overcome Trump’s gains among households with incomes above $100,000 — from 45 percent in 2016 to just over half in 2020.

At least 6 million more people in low-income households voted in 2020 compared to 2016.”
mhttps://www.timesrepublican.com/o...ers-showed-up-for-biden-now-they-need-relief/

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

Donald Trump certainly activated or catalyzed an interesting new voter base, but it definitely wasn’t poorer working class people or minorities, so WHO COULD IT BE??

Let’s see what the data tells us about Donald Trumps base:

- White
- Rural/Suburban
- Income over 50k, most likely > 100k
- No college degree
- Christian
- Older than 30, most likely > 50

 

[Deleted member 7528]

He then proceeded to not do a damn thing about it other than massage their fears and somehow convince them that immigrants and other poor people were to blame for their situation.

We are all very fortunate that the Dems always shoot their constituencies straight. Can you even imagine if the Dems ever did anything like that?

 

[Liquid Karma]

We are all very fortunate that the Dems always shoot their constituencies straight. Can you even imagine if the Dems ever did anything like that?

You just can't help yourself can you?

Never stop never stopping.

 

[WakeandBake]

Hillary - Coal is out, we need to retrain for the jobs of the future

Trump - I'll get you your coal jobs back and you will all be rich and prosper because we aren't socialists!!

WVinians - Yeah coal jobs are back!

reality - :dumb:

 

[Deleted member 7528]

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/how-democrats-became-the-party-of-the-upper-middle-class/

In exit polling from 2008 to 2016, the Republican advantage among white voters without college degrees widened greatly. McCain won them over Barack Obama by 58% to 40%, while Trump won them over Hillary Clinton by 66% to 29%.

he changed class basis of the party also constrains it on economic policy: Many of the upper-middle-class suburbanites who are an increasing share of its voters recoil at the prospect of tax increases and losing their private health insurance. Less concretely but perhaps more distressingly for the left’s true believers, the shift erodes the moral credibility of their historical self-presentation as the champion of the downtrodden.

One Democratic response to declining support from the white working class has been to write it off. The rationales for this choice are varied. These voters might be impossible to win back. Trying might require compromises on issues of race and sex that progressives would find intolerable.


Done and done, right MDMH?

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

We are all very fortunate that the Dems always shoot their constituencies straight. Can you even imagine if the Dems ever did anything like that?

No no no. You don’t get to move on that fast. Tell us what working class voters Donald Trump “picked up” between 2016-2020. I just showed you the data, where are the voters you are talking about?

 

[Deleted member 7528]

You just can't help yourself can you?

Never stop never stopping.

Is this the part where you tell me that Democrats haven't been pandering grievance politics for our entire lifetimes?

 

[Liquid Karma]

Is this the part where you tell me that Democrats haven't been pandering grievance politics for our entire lifetimes?

No, it's the part where you realize I never once argued or presented that position. But keep kicking the shit out of that strawman rather than addressing the fallacies of your own argument. We're all long used to it by now.

 

[Demonwolverine]

More here, please. Why do you describe this inflation as inevitable?

From 2019

https://www.brookings.edu/research/...y-the-answer-to-the-inflation-puzzle-matters/


And that was before the unforeseeable rise in unemployment due to covid.

This is a nifty little video. Inflation starts around 11:45

 

[ImTheCaptain]

Is this the part where you tell me that Democrats haven't been pandering grievance politics for our entire lifetimes?

yeah, please list the things the GOP has done for the working class

thanks in advance

still waiting

 

[deaconson]

yeah, please list the things the GOP has done for the working class

thanks in advance

its been discussed MANY times sir. in great detail. the devils in them thar details you know.

 

[Deleted member 7528]

still waiting

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckd...an-under-obamas-last-2-years/?sh=56e5d8715635

The sluggish growth in manufacturing in the latter half of the Obama years led to President Obama remarking in June 2016 that manufacturing jobs “are just not going to come back.”

Over the past two years, with the encouragement of the Trump Administration’s red-tape cutting policies and the tax cut and reform law passed in December 2017, manufacturers added 467,000 jobs, more than six times the 73,000 manufacturing jobs added in Obama’s last two years.

 

[ChrisL68]

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MANEMP

As typical what jh posts is very biased and doesn't tell the complete story. There was a significant increase in us manufacturing during Obama last 4 years and manufacturing under trump stop growing at all a full year before covid.

The comment on that graph that manufacturing jobs increased in anticipation of Trump lowering taxes and shedding regulations made me laugh

That isn't how it works.

And Obama's remark was in Michigan saying that Michigan auto manufacturing jobs were not coming back and people there needed to train for jobs in new industries, which was and is accurate.

 

[birdman]

Cutting red tape means lowering environmental and safety standards at factories. Hooray?

 

[Deleted member 7528]

still waiting

"Show me data!" - ITC

[Here's a Forbes article showing Person A delivered on manufacturing jobs 6x his predecessor, who had declared it impossible.]

"Not that data, show us the data we like!" - ChrisL