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BillBrasky Memorial Political Chat Thread

birdman said:
Even the inflation thing is a narrative because the causes of the current inflation spike were set in motion way before Biden ran for president but the media aren't talking about that.
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They didn't cause it, but they buried their collective heads in the sand and tried to gaslight us that there was no inflation or that it was just transitory and not a concern.

Just like the supply chain crisis. They didn't cause it, but waiting for half a year as more and more ships piled up at the port didn't do them any favors in the court of public opinion. But hey, they moved those pesky ships farther offshore to improve the visuals at least.
 
Even if a problem is transitory, take it seriously and do something so you can take credit when it subsides.
 
PhDeac said:
Even if a problem is transitory, take it seriously and do something so you can take credit when it subsides.
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This. Not much could have been done to solve the actual issue since it's largely caused by money already spent, but a huge part of politics is perception and controlling the narrative, which speaks to why Biden has low approval but some popular platform ideas.

We are going into a holiday season with the worst inflation in 30 years, and the supply chain crisis on top of it. Biden will be lucky if his approval isn't low 30's come January.
 
Liquid Karma said:
They didn't cause it, but they buried their collective heads in the sand and tried to gaslight us that there was no inflation or that it was just transitory and not a concern.
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There was no gaslighting, only denial that COVID stimulus checks would “overheat” the economy and cause runaway inflation, especially when so much retail spending had disappeared in the months before.
 
Liquid Karma said:
They didn't cause it, but they buried their collective heads in the sand and tried to gaslight us that there was no inflation or that it was just transitory and not a concern.

Just like the supply chain crisis. They didn't cause it, but waiting for half a year as more and more ships piled up at the port didn't do them any favors in the court of public opinion. But hey, they moved those pesky ships farther offshore to improve the visuals at least.
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Like I said, Biden has done some dumb things but his low approval wrt to inflation is at least partly do to media narratives about inflation. Every story about current inflation should have discussion about the multi-year history of the situation. Same with the supply chain. That is a decades long problem that cannot be not fixed in 6 months. The media narratives are at least partly to blame for Biden’s bad image on those issues.

It’s really fucking frustrating that GOP governments keep causing all these problems…Afghanistan, Covid response, 2008 mortgage crisis, etc. and Democrats keep getting the blame when they don’t fix the problems fast enough.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
There was no gaslighting, only denial that COVID stimulus checks would “overheat” the economy and cause runaway inflation, especially when so much retail spending had disappeared in the months before.
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Good thing those stimulus checks were doled out, right ? I mean, how else could people pay for these high prices ?
 
WakeBored said:
Good thing those stimulus checks were doled out, right ? I mean, how else could people pay for these high prices ?
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For someone who portrays themselves as being “in touch” with regular people, you sure seem ignorant as to their financial needs. Those checks helped pay rent, electric bills and car payments in 2020. Why is it that you are far more concerned with the price of gas vs the pandemic eviction crisis? You’re Mr. Joe Six-Pack, right?
 
But MDMH, don't you know you can't just give poors money? They'll just spend it and that just causes inflation. Give rich people money instead. Then they can hoard it and everything is just fine.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
For someone who portrays themselves as being “in touch” with regular people, you sure seem ignorant as to their financial needs. Those checks helped pay rent, electric bills and car payments in 2020. Why is it that you are far more concerned with the price of gas vs the pandemic eviction crisis? You’re Mr. Joe Six-Pack, right?
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I’m talking about the 2021 stimulus, which Biden himself acknowledged contributed to our current inflation problem.
 
WakeBored said:
I’m talking about the 2021 stimulus, which Biden himself acknowledged contributed to our current inflation problem.
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So you’re arguing that people would be better off with much less money and slightly lower inflation.
 
PhDeac said:
So you’re arguing that people would be better off with much less money and slightly lower inflation.
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HE would be better if there was lower inflation. Even if other people had much less money.
 
WakeBored said:
I’m talking about the 2021 stimulus, which Biden himself acknowledged contributed to our current inflation problem.
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That's some selective bullshit there. All of the stimulus checks contributed. We introduced a massive amount of money into circulation out of thin air. Some, or even most, of it was a necessary evil as evidenced by the fact that people didn't lose their homes and our continued economic recovery.

And anyone with common sense knew that inflation was going to be a logical outcome of this, but first the Trump admin and then until recently the Biden admin shoveled us a bunch of crap about how it wasn't a concern.

And it's incredibly disingenuous to only reference stimulus checks when the PPP program introduced almost 800B in money into the economy as well.

My position is not that we took these measures. It's that nobody had a plan to deal with it until we saw inflation hit a 30 year high.
 
Inflation is a problem.

Not the biggest one we’re facing.

Did the stimulus checks contribute? Most likely to some degree. Also contributed to rising stock prices at least to some degree. And helped a lot of people in a lot of ways.

Wage increases are helping offset inflation for many.

Definitely the media contributing to negative perceptions. That’s what they do.
 
If only a group of people had been told to stay the fu k home and contribute to the greater good by giving a shit about someone that is not them. I wonder if this shit could have been contained sooner. Hmmmm probably not. Fu king with cdc data may not have helped.
 
WakeBored said:
I’m talking about the 2021 stimulus, which Biden himself acknowledged contributed to our current inflation problem.
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So deficit spending wasn't an issue.......until the moment the dems took over.
 
PhDeac said:
So you’re arguing that people would be better off with much less money and slightly lower inflation.
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The goal of public policy is to alleviate the problem. I don't think your solution of artificially injecting more buying power into the market is going to have a beneficial effect to the problem of rising prices.
 
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