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Saudi World Golf Tour 2022/2023 Thread

Scooter also are you saying the decade of the 2000s Didn’t suck at wake? We went to 1 sweet 16 and 0 ACC championship games. Prosser had us in last at times.

It completely sucked. We had great pros and still sucked. It was horrifying.

I would not say the decade, as a whole, "sucked" - and neither would most observers. Like your view that a successful life has only one measuring stick - one's bank account balance - I feel certain you have one measuring stick for "not sucking" - and that is winning championships.

I agree that winning championships is our goal and we should not be satisfied until we get there - ACC and NCAA championships. The problem is that I disagree with your apparent view that if we don't get there we suck.

For the 5 seasons 2000-2005 we had a cumulative overall record of 113- 46, an ACC record of 52-28, were ranked in the top 20 each year and finished the year ranked in all but 1 of those years. We made the NCAA tourney each year, never seeded lower than a 7. We proceeded to under-achieve in the post-season, as has been well-documented and discussed here ad nauseum. The rest of the decade was not as successful and I would say we did pretty much suck the next 3 years - but we did get back to the tourney in '09 and '10, with a 4 seed and a 9 seed.

If you want to say that decade of basketball "completely sucked" and was "horrifying" then there aren't many programs in the country that don't suck in your eyes.

Again, understand the problem is with your extreme positions. No one is satisfied with our results - especially with our postseason results - least of all our players and coaches. But, we have had historical success and our program has not always "sucked".

Can you identify a period in our history where we didn't suck - according to your view?
 
Rory opens the Tour Championship with triple, and then bogey. After starting out -4, he at even and ahead of only Cory Connors. Guess Rory is suspending too much of his time planning Monday Night Team Golf.

Routine 67 today for Rory.
 
Somehow our golf thread is turning to a basketball thread…we already have enough of those. On the golf front a couple items. First the new super 20 events will hurt tournaments like the Wyndham Championship which sucks. There isn’t a more committed board and tournament staff among all the tour events…we just have a shit date.

Second the rumors about Cam Young going to LIV are just that. This was never going to happen for many reasons one being his Dad is a lifelong Class A PGA Professional and second Cam came to Wake because he was offered the Arnold Palmer scholarship and he’s three days away from winning PGA ROY which happens to be named after AP. You don’t take that much AP and leave the PGA tour.
 
Wyndham won't be that much different I don't think, there may be a few less big guys, but there aren't many anyways. Journeyman trying to keep their cards is how it's been. And if they do rotate it where once every 5 years or so it's an elevated event, sign me up for that.
 
Scooter — Winning championships? Hell we couldn’t even get to the Elite 8. In the round of 8 in the measley conference tournament we went 1-9 that decade. 1-9!

Wake had successful hoops runs in 59-63 and 93-96. That’s all we have to show for it. We are on par with the bottom 6-7 in all the P5 over last 50 years. Our competitors for bottom feeder disasters are Oregon State, Ole Miss, Clemson, Northwestern. We suck.

And no not only money matters for success in life. But don’t kid yourself, making money is the only measuring stick in business.

And no not only basketball success matters in life. But don’t kid yourself, winning in March is the only measuring stick in college basketball.
 
You are way too focused on "measuring sticks". I have a real feeling that is all of this is rooted in your frustration with the results of one measurement.
 
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I also read where Jason Day is considering jumping to LIV. That makes a lot of sense because his back is worse than Oosthuizen's. Too bad because I have always rooted for Day, but his health at his age has been awful.
 
For the most part, LIV is now a tour for players that have name recognition, but as they have aged, their game prevents them from winning on the PGAT. Jason Day would be a perfect example. This season, Day played in 17 PGAT events. He missed the cut or withdrew 7 times, finished in the top 10 only twice, and did not win this year. Jason Day hasn't won a PGA event in more than 4 years. Norman was lazy and short sighted in signing players.
 
That would explain why LIV has signed lazy and short-sighted players.
 
Though I completely detest LIV, Norman and Mickelson, I find it hard to blame the older guys, the guys with health problems and the guys whose games have been at sea for joining LIV. But for the young comers and guys in the middle of their primes, I just have complete disrespect for those guys because they're throwing away fame and glory and likely ruining the remainder of their careers. I just can't imagine being a 28 year old PGA golfer making at least several mil/per and who has competed well in majors giving all that up because I'm thrown silly $$, when I know that is going to significantly harm the remainder of my career and legacy. And it makes me respect all the more guys like Fowler, whose game has left him, but instead of playing LIV back in June, he played in a regional qualifier to try to get into the US Open.
 
Glad you respect Fowler. I do too but not for this. Do you respect him enough to pay for his grandkids’ education?

I respect Varner. He did what he needed to do so his grandkids aren’t back in poor Gastonia. That’s what doing the right thing is all about. I can’t tell you many how many tour wives have told me “we have enough trophies, we want to pay for our family.”

Varner understands poverty first hand. Now his grandkids will not. He achieved what he needed to at the last possible chance. MJ didn’t want him to go but, like you, he didn’t care enough about it to provide for Varner’s grandkids. Respect and admiration is short lived and surface for sure. Generational wealth actually pays the bills.
 
Though I completely detest LIV, Norman and Mickelson, I find it hard to blame the older guys, the guys with health problems and the guys whose games have been at sea for joining LIV. But for the young comers and guys in the middle of their primes, I just have complete disrespect for those guys because they're throwing away fame and glory and likely ruining the remainder of their careers. I just can't imagine being a 28 year old PGA golfer making at least several mil/per and who has competed well in majors giving all that up because I'm thrown silly $$, when I know that is going to significantly harm the remainder of my career and legacy. And it makes me respect all the more guys like Fowler, whose game has left him, but instead of playing LIV back in June, he played in a regional qualifier to try to get into the US Open.

Good post. Nieman and Varner are disappointing. Ans Smith of course. Lieshman I get. He’s not winning any majors at this point. Or many other TOUR events.
 
How desperate is the exhibition tour to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for multiple guys who've never won on the PGA Tour?
 
Glad you respect Fowler. I do too but not for this. Do you respect him enough to pay for his grandkids’ education?

I respect Varner. He did what he needed to do so his grandkids aren’t back in poor Gastonia. That’s what doing the right thing is all about. I can’t tell you many how many tour wives have told me “we have enough trophies, we want to pay for our family.”

Varner understands poverty first hand. Now his grandkids will not. He achieved what he needed to at the last possible chance. MJ didn’t want him to go but, like you, he didn’t care enough about it to provide for Varner’s grandkids. Respect and admiration is short lived and surface for sure. Generational wealth actually pays the bills.

This is a top 5 DR post. It's just perfect...
 
This is a top 5 DR post. It's just perfect...

Especially coming after the sob story of some jobber who earned $1,000,000 in a year after taxes.
 
DR bragging about hanging out with literal starfuckers and gold diggers. Amazing.
 
How desperate is the exhibition tour to be scraping the bottom of the barrel for multiple guys who've never won on the PGA Tour?

Clearly desperate. After taking 7-10 major winners off the board they are taking down 2 of the top 12 in the Fed Ex Cup AND the #2 player in the world. Rough times for LIV for sure.
 
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