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Wake @ Duke - 3:30 PM ESPN2/ACCN

Who is the second team all-ACC QB? Riley Leonard, right?

Remember the preseason talk of all the great quarterbacks in the ACC? Every one of those guys that was hyped dropped a big giant 💩 this year.
 
thatguy2016 said:
Who is the second team all-ACC QB? Riley Leonard, right?

Remember the preseason talk of all the great quarterbacks in the ACC? Every one of those guys that was hyped dropped a big giant this year.
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Yet does Hartman make All-ACC?
 
3400 yards with 35 TDS and 11 picks isn’t really a bad year for a QB. His yardage went down but he actually had better yards per attempt this year than last year. Huge drop off in his rushing though.
 
wakelaw13 said:
We can debate the State game. It’s probably Sam’s best win. And I think he was outplayed by Leary but fortunately did enough for us to win. Last night he got outplayed by Riley Leonard. He was also outplayed by MJ at State. Sorry, but I don’t think our quarterback play necessarily sees a huge drop off, especially because I’m confident Griffis will be very good.
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Agreed, and Griffis has moxie.
 
Yeah. Just looked at the ACC leaders. Hartman should get 3rd team at worst. Hartman is tied with Maye for TDs and right behind him in yards. No one else is close. Hartman had 311 ypg. Travis is 3rd with 233. Interceptions could drag Hartman from 2nd team to 1st team.
 
SkyDivingDeacon said:
This is one of my biggest issues with the offense…in fact it may be one of the two issues I have. Our short yardage situations feel significantly more difficult than they should be and the Wildcat isn’t it. Thank god we have mostly abandoned that.

And while I’m generally a fan of the slow mesh and understand how difficult it is when defenses have to determine whether to play up or play back at a moment’s notice, that dynamic changes as the field shrinks and/or when clock and play management is critical. Walking up to the LOS when you need a yard is just so silly to me. Put in a jumbo package, hand the ball off to the RB who isn’t 5-7 yards away from the line to gain and challenge your veteran O-Line to get a push (if you decide to run). If they don’t, well shame on them, but FFS don’t get beat by beating yourself. I’d rather a defense make a big play to stop our offense than to try and play 4-D chess and shit the bed.

Dave is a great coach so he must know something I don’t, but he strikes me as overthinking the hell out of simple situations like that and it’s proven to be one of the things that has kept us from busting through to higher levels of play. The only game we should have lost this year was at Louisville. Clemson, UNC and Duke were all lost because of poor play calls and situational management. We played like shit at State and that’s a game we probably should have won as well, but it doesn’t stand out like the other three.

Anyway, imagine being 10-2 instead of 7-5. We really have nobody to blame but ourselves. Hope we learn from it and get better. Also hope Clawson retires here. He’s a great coach and a perfect fit for Wake. Anyone questioning that right now needs to step away for a while.
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how is this different from the wildcat, which also provides you an extra blocker and keeps the familiarity of shotgun?

the wildcat “isn’t it” because our offensive line is pretty bad.

we like the run now since the pass didn’t work, but it’s been equally frustrating when we’ve relied on the run in short yardage and goal line situations (the early drive vs nc state comes to mind)

fwiw, i personally think we should have considered it four down territory, which probably would lead you to favor the run a bit more. but at the end of day, there is no automatic first down play — there are tons of defensible plays to run, each with a chance of success and failure.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
how is this different from the wildcat, which also provides you an extra blocker and keeps the familiarity of shotgun?

the wildcat “isn’t it” because our offensive line is pretty bad.
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Because the defense isn't 99% sure it's going to be a run.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
how is this different from the wildcat, which also provides you an extra blocker and keeps the familiarity of shotgun?

the wildcat “isn’t it” because our offensive line is pretty bad.
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Well, I mean the Wildcat is one dimensional isn’t it? At least if we still ran our O out of the shotgun, we have the ability to run or pass. Like I said, if we decide to run in short yardage situations, it would be nice if we did it without running the mesh. Easier said than done, I know, and you may be right that it’s because our O-Line isn’t as good this year, but the Wildcat still ‘wasn’t it’ when we had a pretty good O-Line last year and the year before (yet we kept on running it without much success).
 
PhDeac said:
Because the defense isn't 99% sure it's going to be a run.
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if the whole point is to ignore the defense, stop overthinking, trust the offensive line and run the ball — that is precisely what the wildcat optimizes for.

i think the whole reason you go for a quick pass on 3rd and short is because you don’t trust your offensive line and running game against a defense selling out against the run.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
if the whole point is to ignore the defense, stop overthinking, trust the offensive line and run the ball — that is precisely what the wildcat optimizes for.

i think the whole reason you go for a quick pass on 3rd and short is because you don’t trust your offensive line and running game against a defense selling out against the run.
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You’re proving the point - running the Wildcat only allows for addressing one of these two situations, not both.
 
The coaches shouldn't trust the OL. That's the point. Give them as much help as possible by running a power back out of a traditional set.
 
NativeCamel said:
Give the ball to Cooley on that third down and you win the game. In fact, he may have made the difference in all of the close losses. Inexplicably underutilized player this year.
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I agree. I get the idea of rotating 3 RBs, but when you have someone like Cooley, especially when he is running well, it's a waste to continue the 3 RB rotation. Or if you have Kenneth Walker...
 
I'll say it again, Cooley is a wrecking ball who I hope stays healthy, stays a long time, and continues to crush it.
 
i think it’s hard to reconcile:

statement 1: “the wildcat sucks for us”

and

statement 2: “we should have just put in a jumbo package and run the ball, passing is overthinking”

since the two are incredibly similar. especially when the supposed benefit of the latter is the threat of the pass.

maybe doing the latter is slightly more effective, but at that point we are really splitting hairs ignoring the effort, practice time and mental cost required to install and coach up the team on a new formation.

i’m not trying to suggest i love the wildcat or anything.

just that the problem is the offensive line, and when you have a bad offensive line no short yardage set is gonna work super well.
 
Dude, you're way overthinking it. We've explained it. The Wildcat sells out to the OL. A jumbo package has an element of uncertainty that helps our OL.
 
i do agree i would have liked to see cooley and more importantly, treat the situation as four down territory. i think that actually would have had some decent impact on win probability with how bad our defense had been.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
i think it’s hard to reconcile:

statement 1: “the wildcat sucks for us”

and

statement 2: “we should have just put in a jumbo package and run the ball, passing is overthinking”

since the two are incredibly similar. especially when the supposed benefit of the latter is the threat of the pass.

maybe doing the latter is slightly more effective, but at that point we are really splitting hairs ignoring the effort, practice time and mental cost required to install and coach up the team on a new formation.

i’m not trying to suggest i love the wildcat or anything.

just that the problem is the offensive line, and when you have a bad offensive line no short yardage set is gonna work super well.
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Yeah, that second statement isn’t what was stated. I said if we decide to run in situations like that - passing by itself isn’t overthinking things which is why the Wildcat was/is always confusing to me. Are we really still talking about the possible efficacy of the Wildcat?

Also, this isn’t just about the Duke game yesterday…this has been an issue for as long as I can remember while being competitive under DC. Our O-Line hasn’t been bad that entire time, so again, that theory doesn’t hold water. So why then have we had such a hard time in critical moments of the game when we need a yard or two to either score or extend a drive? Is our OL really the main issue? Honest question because I don’t know at this point. It’s baffling.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
i do agree i would have liked to see cooley and more importantly, treat the situation as four down territory. i think that actually would have had some decent impact on win probability with how bad our defense had been.
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Which is a big problem with coaching. Clawson needed to expand his four down territory to account for how bad the defense has been. This was especially true yesterday with a 3rd string punter. It wasn’t going to be a field position battle. Mora averaged 42.6 yards all season. Dennis averaged 30 with a long of 36. The offense needed to be way more aggressive.
 
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