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Roll The Quad - Wake Forest NIL with noteworthy support

I was wondering the same thing, if they could write performance clauses into the NIL contracts.
Why not? It's the Wild West, and unless a state enacts restrictions specific to NIL, what parties can agree to is limited only by background contract law, which is to say it basically isn't limited at all.
 
Why not? We've been steadily moving in that direction since 1990. Seeing these college football hacks put out statistics every week about which games are the most watched and which brands are the biggest and forcing that into all of our brains over and over shows exactly what the goal is. This round with Texas, Oklahoma, USC, and UCLA imo was the second to last round of realignment. The final round will be after the ACC's deal expires and the super leagues poach FSU, Miami, Clemson, and UNC. At that point they'll break off like they've wanted to all along. If you sit here watching conference after conference be destroyed for money and think it's not the ACC next, you're unfortunately naive. Literally only money matters in American society, not protecting cultural institutions such as college sports.
and yet here we are 32 years later and it hasn't happened yet.

College sports is still fun as shit to watch. And I'm going to keep watching it and pulling for my team and hoping we win more often than we don't (which, we are in fact doing in both major sports despite all your sky is falling bullshit)
 
and yet here we are 32 years later and it hasn't happened yet.

College sports is still fun as shit to watch. And I'm going to keep watching it and pulling for my team and hoping we win more often than we don't (which, we are in fact doing in both major sports despite all your sky is falling bullshit)
I wish I could just pretend bad things weren't happening but to me it feels almost futile worrying about beating LSU in basketball this weekend when there are such huge issues standing in the way of Wake's future in this dumpster fire of a sport. I'll be watching and super locked in from tip to the buzzer, but I can't just shut out reality. Winning 20 versus 16 basketball games this year is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in the context of what is going on in college sports.
 
I wish I could just pretend bad things weren't happening but to me it feels almost futile worrying about beating LSU in basketball this weekend when there are such huge issues standing in the way of Wake's future in this dumpster fire of a sport. I'll be watching and super locked in from tip to the buzzer, but I can't just shut out reality. Winning 20 versus 16 basketball games this year is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in the context of what is going on in college sports.
Then just stop watching
 
Then just stop watching
I would argue you learning to deal with the bs is worse than me refusing to. If more people were willing to protest these changes they could have been avoided. When the NCAA failed to step in to prevent conferences and rivalries from being destroyed, there should have been a boycott of the NCAA tournament by fans and schools. When the NCAA refused to stop illegal (illegal by NCAA rule, not law in most cases) pay from play and player poaching, there should have been protest and boycott by fans and schools should have threatened to pull out of bowl games. Instead, we have this attitude of "Whatever, it'll be fine", and that's how we get to where we are, with freaking Boston College in the ACC, Rutgers and UCLA in the same conference, and Sam Hartman being offered millions of dollars as a 23 year old to play collegiate football somewhere else 7 months after graduating.
 
I wish I could just pretend bad things weren't happening but to me it feels almost futile worrying about beating LSU in basketball this weekend when there are such huge issues standing in the way of Wake's future in this dumpster fire of a sport. I'll be watching and super locked in from tip to the buzzer, but I can't just shut out reality. Winning 20 versus 16 basketball games this year is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in the context of what is going on in college sports.

I'm about as pessimistic as they come in terms of my belief that most successful organizations will ultimately screw things up, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying individual games (or even seasons).

I'm also comforted by the fact that if they REALLY screw things up, people will stop watching, the $$$ will stop flowing, and they'll be forced to come up with a solution. Admittedly, that'll take a long, long time (decades?)... But the move will always be in the direction of what drives revenue.
 
It seems like these recent grad fans may be even more MFF/LOWF than the old guard. Didn't know that was possible.
 
I'm not sure what will get people to stop watching college football. You're not going to see the NFL dry up college talent like the NBA did.
 
It seems like these recent grad fans may be even more MFF/LOWF than the old guard. Didn't know that was possible.
This isn't LOWF at all. It has nothing to do with Wake Forest. It's about Fox/B10, ESPN/SEC, their insatiable desire for money combined with the inability of the NCAA to protect the sport from bad actors.
 
This isn't LOWF at all. It has nothing to do with Wake Forest. It's about Fox/B10, ESPN/SEC, their insatiable desire for money combined with the inability of the NCAA to protect the sport from bad actors.
It's obviously (I assume) rooted in the idea that WF, and similar teams I guess, will be relegated to a lesser division of athletics (or at least football) in the future. And that the ACC will break up/disband. People have been fretting about the latter since the early 2000s, and here we are.
 
It's obviously (I assume) rooted in the idea that WF, and similar teams I guess, will be relegated to a lesser division of athletics (or at least football) in the future. And that the ACC will break up/disband. People have been fretting about the latter since the early 2000s, and here we are.
Not relegated. We have no problem competing and if college sports stayed the way they were supposed to (regional leagues based on size/type/location of school) we would have no problem making big bowl games even in the world of pay for play as we have our own mega boosters too. It's not like we lose so we will be relegated to a lower level. That's not what I'm saying.

What has been happening and will continue to happen is two leagues are taking turns grabbing all the programs that are financially beneficial to have and poaching them for their leagues. Wake Forest, for a variety of reasons mostly down to being the smallest P5 school, is not a financially beneficial program for the B10 or SEC to poach. FSU, Miami, most likely Clemson, and maybe UNC are beneficial for the SEC or B10. And if you don't want to hear it from me hear it directly from the lips of the powers that be, because they've said this much.
 
I'm about as pessimistic as they come in terms of my belief that most successful organizations will ultimately screw things up, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying individual games (or even seasons).

I'm also comforted by the fact that if they REALLY screw things up, people will stop watching, the $$$ will stop flowing, and they'll be forced to come up with a solution. Admittedly, that'll take a long, long time (decades?)... But the move will always be in the direction of what drives revenue.
Yeah, enough with the hand wringing about the end of college sports. Enjoy it for what it is or move on from it. I enjoy it for now but there will probably come a time when I'm done with it and find something else to do with my time.

Reminds me of collecting baseball cards when I was a kid. It was fun when it was Topps, Fleer, Donrus and Upper Deck. Then they started releasing all these sub-sets trying to increase revenue. It drove me away because it ruined the fun of collecting for me.
 
Yeah, enough with the hand wringing about the end of college sports. Enjoy it for what it is or move on from it. I enjoy it for now but there will probably come a time when I'm done with it and find something else to do with my time.

Reminds me of collecting baseball cards when I was a kid. It was fun when it was Topps, Fleer, Donrus and Upper Deck. Then they started releasing all these sub-sets trying to increase revenue. It drove me away because it ruined the fun of collecting for me.

This is where I am as well. I've about lost ALL interest in college basketball and football might go that same path. Either college sports will realize it needs to self-preserve or it won't. Me stressing only worsens my health.

I can relate to the baseball cards. I coached youth baseball even after my boys graduated out. I just loved helping kids enjoy the sport and developing teams. Then, along came travel-ball and every "Karen" and "Kevin" known to man. They completely ruined my passion for coaching youth sports. Every Karen/Kevin thought their little Johnny was Chipper Jones. I left it and never looked back! You haven't lived until you've dealt with drunk, redneck parents during a little league baseball game.
 
This is where I am as well. I've about lost ALL interest in college basketball and football might go that same path. Either college sports will realize it needs to self-preserve or it won't. Me stressing only worsens my health.

I can relate to the baseball cards. I coached youth baseball even after my boys graduated out. I just loved helping kids enjoy the sport and developing teams. Then, along came travel-ball and every "Karen" and "Kevin" known to man. They completely ruined my passion for coaching youth sports. Every Karen/Kevin thought their little Johnny was Chipper Jones. I left it and never looked back!
Most people want parity in college sports. People will grow tired of the same 5 or 10 teams dominating year end year out. It is getting that way with college football now in my opinion. That's probably some of the reason for expanded playoffs (that and more fucking money).
 
Most people want parity in college sports. People will grow tired of the same 5 or 10 teams dominating year end year out. It is getting that way with college football now in my opinion. That's probably some of the reason for expanded playoffs (that and more fucking money).
yeah it was gonna be cool to have some new playoff blood this year, but nope we got 3 of the 4 mainstay teams
 
I'm not against players being paid at all, just think it needs to be in a regulated and most importantly HONEST way, not hidden behind NIL and as part of a free for all. I also don't subscribe to the argument that college sports were immoral before athletes were paid. I think it was immoral to prevent them from using their success to make money in advertising and such, but not at all that they weren't paid. I went to college and worked hard for four years and our family paid for them to work me hard, knowing my hard work there provided the opportunity for future earnings. They had the same arrangement of learning their trade and earning the opportunity to monetize it after school. That's perfectly fair to me and if they didn't want to participate they could have gone down a number of different paths. However, now that we have decided to pay them, I just want it to be fair and honest, because that decision will never be undone.
 
I don't know if I agree with that, 78. Most people want their favorite team in the playoffs and some probably want a few teams they hate not to make the playoffs. But I don't think most fans want an even playing field. I'm pretty sure most fans of teams outside the elite programs would prefer the system stayed the same but their team has the recruiting and $$$ of an LSU rather than every P5 has about the same TV money and recruits mostly 3*s and a few 4* and 5* players every year with a reasonable same chance to make the playoffs.

I also think part of the reason for the expanded playoffs is to solidify the same dominant 5-10 teams year end year out and make sure 2-loss Bama and 1-loss ND don't get left out. There will be some fluke teams here and there and some unexpected conference champs, but I think there will probably about 20-25 different P5 teams that make the 12-team playoff over the next 5 years.
 
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