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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

The Biffermeister said:
It’s harder to get into the police academy here than it is to get hired as a teacher.
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OK, my only point is, that it is a lot easier to drive people away from a thankless public service profession where you only pay them $45K per year and the retirement plan is a low match 401K style contribution program than from a "thankless" public service profession where you pay them >$100K and have a guaranteed pension program with eligibility to retire at 50 yrs old. I just don't see people leave the policing profession like we are seeing with teaching profession. Plus the left had a few anti-cop protests in big cities three years ago, that ultimately amounted to nothing more than a few city councils adjusting their budgets, where as the right have been relentlessly sending their craziest to school board meetings and running superintendents and teachers out of town. The anti-cop movement doesn't have 1/100 the fervor as the anti-education movement these days.
 
I guess that tells you which side is better organized.

BTW, I've said multiple times on this forum that teachers are underpaid and that we're killing education in NC. There's no rule that you can't pay teachers what you pay police.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
And what is the training requirement for your local sheriff's department?
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BLET at (typically) community college and new staff employee with a field training officer. I can't remember how long the training lasts.

If you end up in patrol, there is additional training for that.

All deputies have state required courses each year from law updates to blood borne pathogen training. Local agencies place additional training. Typically, the larger the agency, the more training is required. So, Forsyth County would typically have more required training than Bertie County.
 
The Biffermeister said:
I guess that tells you which side is better organized.
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“better organized” yeah middle class conservative whites just have a better political strategy. Something to be said for having a helluva home field advantage as well.
 
The Biffermeister said:
I guess that tells you which side is better organized.

BTW, I've said multiple times on this forum that teachers are underpaid and that we're killing education in NC. There's no rule that you can't pay teachers what you pay police.
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No rule…but that Republican majority in the legislature.
 
The right has long been in the business of creating sheltered, religious, non thinking zealots. It wasn't enough that they did it to their own children. When they rebelled they had to export their special brand of dumb to all families. The war on Christmas does not actually exist but the war on information, education, and free thinking sure does. Don't ask questions I can't answer billy bob.
 
Seems to be big business - prison reform, drug reform, police reform, reduced military spending all result in the necessary lose of jobs. Cops, lawyers, judges, prison guards, prison developers, contractors, weapons manufacturers, etc, etc. What politician wants to be seen as responsible for those jobs going away? And somehow the party of "small government" is all about keeping that government bloat in place. Tough to see any sort of meaningful change happening in the face of that, particularly when the issues are so poorly reported on by most media, leaving the average voter thinking crime has spiraled out of control and the guy selling bags of weed mostly likely has killed three people as well.
 
My least enjoyable years in education were the last 5...wherein, administration routinely gave in to the ignorance. The motivation for it? Ineptitude, laziness, fear, cowardice, political expedience? There was way more in the showroom than the stockroom when I got out. It seemed I was expected more to acquiesce than to maintain my own (higher) standards. "Let's just make sure the grades are good; who cares if they really learn anything?"

One of the five best decisions I ever made was to be a teacher. One of the five best decisions I ever made was to leave the profession.
 
HuskyDeac said:
Seems to be big business - prison reform, drug reform, police reform, reduced military spending all result in the necessary lose of jobs. Cops, lawyers, judges, prison guards, prison developers, contractors, weapons manufacturers, etc, etc. What politician wants to be seen as responsible for those jobs going away? And somehow the party of "small government" is all about keeping that government bloat in place. Tough to see any sort of meaningful change happening in the face of that, particularly when the issues are so poorly reported on by most media, leaving the average voter thinking crime has spiraled out of control and the guy selling bags of weed mostly likely has killed three people as well.
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Gateway drug.
 
when people are afraid of crime, what I imagine most -- or I guess what is scariest to me -- is encountering someone with a gun or other violent crimes

I don't imagine most folks worry about their homes being broken into by an unarmed robber or having their car hot-wired or about traffic crimes, process crimes, financial crimes, etc.

problem in the United States vs. other countries is that we live in an ocean of guns
 
mercurydime said:
My least enjoyable years in education were the last 5...wherein, administration routinely gave in to the ignorance. The motivation for it? Ineptitude, laziness, fear, cowardice, political expedience? There was way more in the showroom than the stockroom when I got out. It seemed I was expected more to acquiesce than to maintain my own (higher) standards. "Let's just make sure the grades are good; who cares if they really learn anything?"

One of the five best decisions I ever made was to be a teacher. One of the five best decisions I ever made was to leave the profession.
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no child left behind seems to be the thing that set all this in motion
 
WFcatamount22 said:
The way we police doesn’t work, not even close. The consequences of not policing are also grim, so what’s the answer?
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Good question. But I think the answer is all of the above. We do need reform but not just with policing.
 
rawarr said:
i'm not convinced police are really a deterrent to small crimes like that. other than if there was just a cop physically present by chance. i have no research to back up this point of view, but it seems like porch cams are doing most of the work in the petty theft arena.

but i don't really think abolishing the police is that radical of an idea -- other than it upsets the status quo. i haven't been a victim of any violent crimes in my life so maybe that's because of police presence in my community, but maybe it's more attributable to other factors.
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honestly, i hate the term abolish the police . I think repurposing would be better, or even better, re-imagine the police.
Take a look at a previous post where an 82 year old woman was arrested for non payment of a trash bill. Think of the time/effort to serve the warrant, cuff her,take her to jail,process her, etc...
Those officers could have been out on the streets, patrolling, doing community outreach rather than wasting time on something so frivolous that does nothing to keep anyone safer.

Some departments also have teamed up partners to give people vouchers for fixing broken tail lights/blinkers, rather than impose fines.

i think if cops didn't have to meet ticket quotas or give out fines for traffic violations, you would attract better employees.
 
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