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How long a tenure should Steve Forbes be given to make the NCAAs?

How long should Steve Forbes have to make the NCAA tournamnet before a coaching change?

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warak said:
this...hell, i barely count Forbes' first year due to the BS he inherited from Manning.
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I was at the game that we almost lost to Catawba that season. That may have been the least talented team in ACC history.
 
RUDeac said:
Tony Bennett made the tournament in his third year.
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Then missed it a year or two and began consistently making it. Just saying all situations are not equal nor black and white.
 
What was Bennett's record in his first four years compared to Forbes?
 
Demonwolverine said:
Pretty big difference between having 2 guys come back that we know will be drafted following the season and pulling them from programs where nobody in said programs would have ever guessed they'd be in the NBA the next year. You can't fault Forbes for developing talent so well that they get paid.
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Forbes developed ManMan and Jake? LOL...
Both of them enrolled in Summer 2021. In November 2021, ManMan averaged 19.5 + 5.6 + 3.8 and Jake averaged 17.8 + 5.5 + 3.3.
Did Mel Tucker develop KW3?
 
RUDeac said:
Forbes developed ManMan and Jake? LOL...
Both of them enrolled in Summer 2021. In November 2021, ManMan averaged 19.5 + 5.6 + 3.8 and Jake averaged 17.8 + 5.5 + 3.3.
Did Mel Tucker develop KW3?
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He at least evaluated talent and took advantage of their skillsets. What did they average in their previous seasons?
 
mako1331 said:
He at least evaluated talent and took advantage of their skillsets. What did they average in their previous seasons?
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I admit Forbes is a good portal recruiter, but I doubt that he developed Jake and ManMan in a significant way.
Both of them just needed a chance. Jake was apparently underrecruited at HS and ManMan was backing up Austin Reaves at OU.
 
RUDeac said:
Forbes developed ManMan and Jake? LOL...
Both of them enrolled in Summer 2021. In November 2021, ManMan averaged 19.5 + 5.6 + 3.8 and Jake averaged 17.8 + 5.5 + 3.3.
Did Mel Tucker develop KW3?
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So you thought:

ManMan would be an NBA prospect coming into Wake from Oklahoma with a cool 6.7ppg and 2.8rpg in his SR year?
Jake clearly was an NBA prospect coming from little Indiana St with a 12.3ppg and 6.3rpg as a Soph?

get over yourself...
 
I find it a bit strange that people are saying Forbes inherited a mess from Manning when Manning inherited a [Redacted] program, the worst coach in Wake history, and went to the tournament in Year 3. And that was without the ability to get transfers quickly.

Manning clearly wasn't a good coach, and he was able to manage that. Yet Forbes needs more than 5 years to prove he can get a bid? That I don't understand, and I waffled between saying 4 or 5 years was enough to know what he can do here.

This is Forbes' team and he owns the good and bad. We shouldn't use Manning, [Redacted], Covid, as an excuse. He already overcame that by Year 2.
 
danny and the miracles is a pretty big f*cking recruiting tool.
 
Three things (channeling Captain Obvious):

1. It drives me nuts when folks use good players leaving, injuries, Tuesdays, and whatnot to justify our lack of success over time. Those things happen to all programs. And if that's the sort of thing we have to do to avoid dealing with the fact that our program is pretty awful, maybe we're trying too hard.

2. Lots of programs build and rebuild, but not that many programs experience the level of destruction that we did. It's why I am still cautiously optimistic about Forbes. It's also why (and I am being completely serious) if I were in charge of WFU, I'd ban Wellman from campus and erase his name from everything there.

3. We are still coming to terms with something Forbes (and others) has expressly stated: nothing (no thing) matters as much in basketball recruiting as NIL money. It's probably why we see a lot of attention being paid to overseas players. So either WFU gives Forbes a checkbook, or it doesn't. The best driver in the world in a Smart Car can't out race a bad driver in a Lamborghini, and he or she would look silly trying to do so.
 
PaddyWF said:
I find it a bit strange that people are saying Forbes inherited a mess from Manning when Manning inherited a [Redacted] program, the worst coach in Wake history, and went to the tournament in Year 3. And that was without the ability to get transfers quickly.

Manning clearly wasn't a good coach, and he was able to manage that. Yet Forbes needs more than 5 years to prove he can get a bid? That I don't understand, and I waffled between saying 4 or 5 years was enough to know what he can do here.
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Danny Manning made the NCAAT as one of the last teams let into the field, and he lost in the First Four with a guy that quickly became a borderline NBA all star type player.

Steve Forbes in his second year had his team on the bubble of the NCAAT, as one of the teams that many people feel should have made the tournament.

There's way less of a difference than you seem to be arguing. The biggest difference is that Forbes' program doesn't seem to be imploding the way that Manning's did immediately after his one good player left.
 
PaddyWF said:
I find it a bit strange that people are saying Forbes inherited a mess from Manning when Manning inherited a [Redacted] program, the worst coach in Wake history, and went to the tournament in Year 3. And that was without the ability to get transfers quickly.

Manning clearly wasn't a good coach, and he was able to manage that. Yet Forbes needs more than 5 years to prove he can get a bid? That I don't understand, and I waffled between saying 4 or 5 years was enough to know what he can do here.

This is Forbes' team and he owns the good and bad. We shouldn't use Manning, [Redacted], Covid, as an excuse. He already overcame that by Year 2.
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you seem to forget that Manning peddled off any viable player on his last team to the highest bidder on the way out the door (two of which were NBA players on a WFU 13-18 team)...
 
Also, in thinking about it more, trying to say that Manning and Forbes inherited similar situations is ridiculous.

Manning inherited Codi Miller McIntyre and Devin Thomas as his best players, both of which were certainly ACC quality starters. Forbes inherited Mucius and Massoud as the best returning players, neither of which were ACC level starters if we are being honest.
 
I'd like to see what kind of roster we put together for next year, pray for Ituka/Monsanto to return and watch for improvements.

We cannot, assuming we get 2-3 solid guards/wings from the portal to go with a talented group of 3 FR coming in, give up likely wins such as LMU and LSU.

Plus to further the community outreach and getting the fans back, seeing as how this year has recently bottomed out, do a FREE home game for WS Public Schools, or FREE home game for first responders or whatever, for our first exhibition or first game against SC State or whomever.
 
i think we are all stocked up on 2-4 type players...need PGs, first and foremost! get our bigs to big-men camps, they all need at least one move outside of lob dunks.
 
forbes is in year two. i don't discredit any coach for the covid year. hell even coach K went 13-11 that year. it was a cluster fuck and forbes came in late and clearly inherited a dumpster fire.
25-10 year one
18-12 so far in year two

do you know how many times wake has won 25 or more games in a season (ever)?
5. holy shit that's awful. didn't realize until i looked. odom did it twice and prosser twice. forbes the other.
yeah, let's fire him after this season. :rolleyes:
 
inspectah said:
I like Forbes personally. Love the blue-collar, down-to-earth vibe. Our program needs that. That alone gets him an extra year or two with me after the last two stiffs, who were about as unlikeable as they come.
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Yep. This is true even if people don't want to admit it. So much is about vibes.
 
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