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2023 ACC Tournament Discussion Thread

Pilchard said:
Leaning to the under in the Clemson/UVA game. UVA loses offense with Vander Plas out, but they have a big gain on defense by giving more minutes to Shedrick (he had 5 blocks in 19 minutes last night). UVA's defense metrics took a big hit, when they benched Shedrick, but they will bounce back with him back patrolling the paint. When Clemson has popped with a big win, they have stumbled the next time out:

Jan 14: Clemson beat Duke -- next game they lost at WF

Feb 15: Clemson beat FSU by 40 -- next game, they lost at L'ville

Feb 25: Clemson won at State by 25 -- next game, they lose at UVA

Brownell wanted that game badly last night and shot 46% from 3; can see Clemson playing poorly tonight
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Also leaning under. They went for 121 in Charlottesville a few weeks ago.
 
What Clemson does have going for them IMO is that they're basically Rutgers from last year with better metrics but fewer solid wins. Rutgers lost a handful of games to really bad teams, was in the 80s in NET, and won a solid number of Q1 games. Clemson lost a handful of games to really bad teams, in the 50s in NET, and won a few Q1 games.
 
Actually the more I look at all three of these team's resumes....yuk. I know they're bubble teams for a reason, but they all have pretty solid reasons for being left out if it weren't for the pesky fact that we have to full the bracket with somebody.
 
Clemson has more Q3/Q4 losses than anybody else on the bubble
State barely beat any good teams
Pitt doesn't have a single resume or predictive metric in the top 50 (much less averaging them)

BLEH
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Lunardi has five teams for three spots as of this morning: Pitt, Clemson, Oklahoma state, Arizona state, Utah state. Michigan and UNC are off the bubble with losses yesterday
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Great to see the Blue Goats and Juwan Howard's crowd sitting out the Big Dance.
Will they both be too sanctimonious to accept the NIT?
 
As someone said a few days ago, if NC State gets in and Clemson is left out, the follow up press conference from Brad Brownell is must-see TV. WF fans felt violated last year when the Deacs went 13-7 in the ACC, even after throwing up against BC. Clemson went 14-6 in the ACC; beat a Big 10 NCAAT tourney team in OOC; and then beat another bubble team in the ACCT.
 
Clemson is likely in if the committee continues to not care about bad losses which has been the MO the last couple years.

The more I look the tougher it is to make a compelling argument for Pitt over teams around them in the bubble.
 
Pilchard said:
Leaning to the under in the Clemson/UVA game. UVA loses offense with Vander Plas out, but they have a big gain on defense by giving more minutes to Shedrick (he had 5 blocks in 19 minutes last night). UVA's defense metrics took a big hit, when they benched Shedrick, but they will bounce back with him back patrolling the paint. When Clemson has popped with a big win, they have stumbled the next time out:

Jan 14: Clemson beat Duke -- next game they lost at WF

Feb 15: Clemson beat FSU by 40 -- next game, they lost at L'ville

Feb 25: Clemson won at State by 25 -- next game, they lose at UVA

Brownell wanted that game badly last night and shot 46% from 3; can see Clemson playing poorly tonight
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Agree with you guys on the under. Both Clemson's and UVA's guards are inconsistent shooters, especially from 3. Offensively, UVA usually goes as Franklin and Beekman go, and if they're cold from 3, UVA usually scores in the 50s, and they had good games last night. And UVA's pace of play offensively and their D lead to fewer possessions, which leads to fewer points. And for the 1st 10:00 or so last night, I didn't think either UVA or UNC would get to 20 at half.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Actually the more I look at all three of these team's resumes....yuk. I know they're bubble teams for a reason, but they all have pretty solid reasons for being left out if it weren't for the pesky fact that we have to full the bracket with somebody.
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Almost like the ACC isn't good.
 
Hildreth finished the game in the zone. He really wanted that last shot/heave.

May have started right before half time. Basket looked BIG to him. If I am him, after all these games recently of missing shots, I am back in the gym draining shots today. His shot looked GOOD second half yesterday.

Good like automatic, great form etc. Finish the year shooting it well and on to next year, where he is going to be really good.
 
Fittingly, Clemson might have Clemson’d themselves out of the tournament with those four bad losses.
 
Pilchard said:
Leaning to the under in the Clemson/UVA game. UVA loses offense with Vander Plas out, but they have a big gain on defense by giving more minutes to Shedrick (he had 5 blocks in 19 minutes last night). UVA's defense metrics took a big hit, when they benched Shedrick, but they will bounce back with him back patrolling the paint. When Clemson has popped with a big win, they have stumbled the next time out:

Jan 14: Clemson beat Duke -- next game they lost at WF

Feb 15: Clemson beat FSU by 40 -- next game, they lost at L'ville

Feb 25: Clemson won at State by 25 -- next game, they lose at UVA

Brownell wanted that game badly last night and shot 46% from 3; can see Clemson playing poorly tonight
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I don't disagree, but given both of these teams played just last night and Clemson is still, in theory, fighting for a bid, I think we'll get a good effort out of the Tigers tonight.

Random thought... Holy shit the Cavs missed like 4-5 wide open mid-range jumpers in the last few minutes of the UNC game. Their offense is pretty meh, all things considered. If/when they get down a few points, I have zero confidence in their ability to claw back into a game. They don't seem to have a guy that can just get a bucket.
 
UVA is really limited. Other than Bennett on the sidelines and Clark, this team is nothing like their NCAAT Champion team. That team had three future NBA players, and then a bunch of really solid older role players. No one on UVA is going to sniff the NBA, except for maybe Ryan Dunn, if he makes a huge leap over the next couple of years. When asked to name a top 5 seed who is most likely to lose to a 12 or lower seed in the NCAAT, every expert names UVA before the question is even finished. No one would be surprised to see a Charleston, Drake or Iona take out UVA next week.
 
Pilchard said:
UVA is really limited. Other than Bennett on the sidelines and Clark, this team is nothing like their NCAAT Champion team. That team had three future NBA players, and then a bunch of really solid older role players. No one on UVA is going to sniff the NBA, except for maybe Ryan Dunn, if he makes a huge leap over the next couple of years. When asked to name a top 5 seed who is most likely to lose to a 12 or lower seed in the NCAAT, every expert names UVA before the question is even finished. No one would be surprised to see a Charleston, Drake or Iona take out UVA next week.
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All of this. But they have still been a pretty good watch this year compared to the last 3 years. Tony's recruiting went south after the Jerome class, but it's been coming back the last couple of years, and he's always had a decent transfer or 2. He has 2 good recruits coming in next year and 2 voluntary redshirts - a big with range and wing who my UVA friend said looked good in the blue/orange game. I figure Beekman comes back and Tony gets another transfer rental or 2. But you're right on Dunn. He's 6'8" and can jump out of the gym. He reminds me of a young Justin Anderson or Deandre Hunter. He was shy offensively this year, but his shot doesn't look bad. He could end up being a shut down defender and 15 ppg guy in 2 years. I think they can at least as good as this year's team if they get some decent development The other thing is Franklin can come back if he wants to.
 
DeacDaddy said:
Fittingly, Clemson might have Clemson’d themselves out of the tournament with those four bad losses.
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I mean they for sure Clemson'd. The UL game alone tanked their metrics, if they win and no other outcomes change then they're in.

They've been excellent since though -- #5 on Torvik the last two-and-a-half weeks. Certainly did the trick in terms of focusing them
 
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