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Sandusky Gets 30 Years

I guarantee that Sandusky is not the only coach in college athletics who has abused children. While I don't think the NCAA has rules/policies about this, they should. No adult should ever, ever be alone with a child.
 
awakeandready said:
Well I guess that's my question then - is the law that ANYONE witnessing is required to report it or is it that a head of the organization/institution has to? If the former, internally, it might be the policy that you report to superiors but in this case wouldn't that be negated by the law?
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The GA is essentially an intern. He should have probably followed up, but often the issues have a quite a bit of confidentiality associated. Most of what I deal with is observing comments, bruises, etc. that might indicate abuse by the parents. I report to DSS, and then it's their job. This situation is obviously a lot more extreme than that. I am most concerned about the prevention failures of allowing him one on one access to children. It is a tragedy even if it was just this one child, does that make sense?
 
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"RAPING A CHILD?" OH, I THOUGHT HE SAID, "HELPING."
 
Deacfreak07 said:
The GA is essentially an intern. He should have probably followed up, but often the issues have a quite a bit of confidentiality associated. Most of what I deal with is observing comments, bruises, etc. that might indicate abuse by the parents. I report to DSS, and then it's their job. This situation is obviously a lot more extreme than that. I am most concerned about the prevention failures of allowing him one on one access to children. It is a tragedy even if it was just this one child, does that make sense?
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My questions were more about your statement that Paterno followed policy. He may have followed internal policy but wasn't he required by law to report/cause a report? (Not even getting in to moral obligations)
 
Definitely agree that there are many many many many things wrong with how it was able to happen so easily in the first place.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I guarantee that Sandusky is not the only coach in college athletics who has abused children. While I don't think the NCAA has rules/policies about this, they should. No adult should ever, ever be alone with a child.
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It's a huge failing if school's aren't training their athletic camp staff members on child abuse prevention.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
The GA is essentially an intern. He should have probably followed up, but often the issues have a quite a bit of confidentiality associated. Most of what I deal with is observing comments, bruises, etc. that might indicate abuse by the parents. I report to DSS, and then it's their job. This situation is obviously a lot more extreme than that. I am most concerned about the prevention failures of allowing him one on one access to children. It is a tragedy even if it was just this one child, does that make sense?
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I guess I keep hoping that a report will surface that JoePa contacted the authorities, at which time they said 'we'll take it from here'. But, based on the grand jury testimony, it would have come out in that document right? I'm assuming they contacted local authorities to see if reports had been filed by the unverisity, correct?
 
Marquee Moon said:
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"RAPING A CHILD?" OH, I THOUGHT HE SAID, "HELPING."
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Do you understand how sick you are ? you keep making Jokes about this.... it's not funny..at all. There is nothing to joke about, even those connected to the assailaint. Do you get that? Or are you sick?
 
PhillyDeac said:
I guess I keep hoping that a report will surface that JoePa contacted the authorities, at which time they said 'we'll take it from here'. But, based on the grand jury testimony, it would have come out in that document right? I'm assuming they contacted local authorities to see if reports had been filed by the unverisity, correct?
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That's how it seemed from the report. I'm assuming they think he did 'enough' though because otherwise wouldn't he be going through the same wringer as Schultz & Curley?
 
How is this a debate? If you see somebody raping a kid, call the police. What in the world would make anybody pause from doing that immediately? Besides an elbow to the back of the perverts head, of course.
 
His other stuff wasn't a joke at the top of the page wasn't a joke. He was saying the whole reason the charity was set up was to get access to more kids and have his choice of victims. Worded oddly? Yes. A joke and inaccurate? No.
 
awakeandready said:
My questions were more about your statement that Paterno followed policy. He may have followed internal policy but wasn't he required by law to report/cause a report? (Not even getting in to moral obligations)
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Well it depends on the organization. By your logic, why is he more obligated to report it than McQueary who witnessed it?

Don't get me wrong, I am shell shocked by this, to the point were it is hard for me to function. I am do depressed for these kids and the others victims involved (parents, players, etc.). I'm just not sure what their procedures were. I would honestly doubt that they had them. They should. You would be surprised at the number of organizations that can potentially grant predators access to kids which don't take that responsibility as seriously as they should.

I have fired staff for being alone with a child even if nothing happened. You don't catch abusers abusing, you catch them breaking rules (95% of the time). Sounds like they didn't have rules. That is the bigger problem. This cover up is in reaction to a child being abused. The cover up is a problem, but the environment that led to the first incident is the bigger problem.
 
Wow... did anyone else just hear Curley's attorney yelling at reporters? That woman appears to be mildly insane.
 
deacvision7 said:
How is this a debate? If you see somebody raping a kid, call the police. What in the world would make anybody pause from doing that immediately? Besides an elbow to the back of the perverts head, of course.
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I don't think anyone is debating it. I think some of us are trying to understand if we know everything yet...which it sounds like we do, but pardon some of us if we make sure we know everything about a guy that we admired for years. And a major question is, why did mcquery go to coach and dad, not straight to Authorities? There is no job on planet earth that I would care about losing if I witnessed that. No amount of money, nothing...threaten my life, I don't care, I'm going straight to the police. Mcqueary was 22-24 at the time...it's not like he was in middle school and unsure of what to do...
 
Penn State's email to the media in preparation for today's presser:

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& Deadspin's comment section response:



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it doesn't excuse what everyone else does after THEY hear the news, but it just seems odd to me. And all I'm looking for, is a complete understanding of what everyone knew, when and what they did. Again, based on the grand jury testimony, it seems pretty clear, but I'm just making sure first. This story is public for less than a week, there is a lot more to come out over the next few months. My guess, it's going to get way worse.
 
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