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WaPo’s David Ignatius & Morning Joe say Biden should not run in 2024

Highland Deac said:
Maybe, but I doubt it. The GOP base will oppose Biden no matter what, but Republicans know if they're going to have a chance to win they've got to find something that hurts Biden with people outside their base. Calling him a radical socialist leftist hasn't worked, nor has tying him to Hunter Biden, but they have found that many Americans (probably a large majority) of all political persuasions are tired of geriatrics running the country, and so that's what they're hitting him with. The fact that Trump is only four years younger doesn't matter, nor is Mitch McConnell's very public slide into senility, if they can tie the gerontocracy issue to Biden hand and foot then it will likely increase their chances of winning.
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And this is probably amplified by a lot of people who are ok/indifferent to Biden but scared of the thought of Kamala Harris being president.
 
I DO think that age of a politician is a pretty big deal overall and an age limit should be implemented across the board, but this full court press from the media the last two weeks where nearly every single day there is an article about his age, is playing right into the hands of the GOP (because they knew the media would take the bait).

Not as close to the election as "BUT HER EMAILS" saga, but feels like once again, the media is being really stupid about this stuff to play into the horse race type coverage they so desperately want. Damn the democracy, these page views and clicks are way more important than preserving our nation.

I don't think that they shouldn't report on it at all - it's just complete and utter overkill that is low hanging fruit to amplify bad faith arguments from a party that has no ideals or morals whatsoever.

It also gives folks like thereff the "WELL A LIBRUL EVEN THINKS THIS, LOOK!" argument he needs.
 
Age is the only real hit on Biden. Media types want to balance all the criticisms of Trump. They also don't want to have legitimate debates about Biden's policy record for a few reasons. Policy is boring for a 24 hour news cycle. Biden's policies are largely popular and the central critiques are on the edges of policy among the left and lies and word salad on the right. I'm not holding my breath for a news cycle with substantive debate about if Biden is pro-union enough.

They're also trying to get ahead of the most likely scenario. More live shots and public attention on Biden remind people he's more chatty grandpa than a doddering old fool or crime boss. Stragglers like young voters and some unions swing hard toward Biden as the GOP primary and Trump trials get going. Then there won't be much of a story to tell as Biden has a solid lead and it looks like a repeat of 2020 with slightly larger swing state margins especially in AZ, MI, and WI.
deactherunner said:
I assume because you named Ignatius in your post that he is supposedly one of the great thinkers that all liberals kowtow to, along with Maureen Dowd.
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It's always funny that Republicans think liberals/leftists revere pundits and political hacks the same way the right does.
 
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my actual fear is Biden croaks and Kamala gets trashed by Donald
 
For what it’s worth - from just a simple eye test - Trump is far closer to death than Joe.
 
PhDeac said:
More live shots and public attention on Biden remind people he's more chatty grandpa than a doddering old fool or crime boss.
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Case in point - we have two threads going right now, both started by everyone's favorite opinion section writer, simultaneously claiming Biden is too old and demented to function AND that he's masterminding some family crime syndicate.
 
Frosty said:
Case in point - we have two threads going right now, both started by everyone's favorite opinion section writer, simultaneously claiming Biden is too old and demented to function AND that he's masterminding some family crime syndicate.
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True. However, I feel bad criticizing him because Trump is actually too demented to function and is masterminding a family crime syndicate and plot to overthrow the government. So they're not mutually exclusive.
 
PhDeac said:
True. However, I feel bad criticizing him because Trump is actually too demented to function and is masterminding a family crime syndicate and plot to overthrow the government. So they're not mutually exclusive.
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That's a fair point, although I'd struggle to call Trump a mastermind when almost everything has failed spectacularly or has been blown open by the media almost immediately. Trump is more of an example what the expected outcomes should be when a demented lunatic tries to play mob boss.
 
Herding lemmings isn't a particularly difficult exercise.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I DO think that age of a politician is a pretty big deal overall and an age limit should be implemented across the board, but this full court press from the media the last two weeks where nearly every single day there is an article about his age, is playing right into the hands of the GOP (because they knew the media would take the bait).

Not as close to the election as "BUT HER EMAILS" saga, but feels like once again, the media is being really stupid about this stuff to play into the horse race type coverage they so desperately want. Damn the democracy, these page views and clicks are way more important than preserving our nation.

I don't think that they shouldn't report on it at all - it's just complete and utter overkill that is low hanging fruit to amplify bad faith arguments from a party that has no ideals or morals whatsoever.

It also gives folks like thereff the "WELL A LIBRUL EVEN THINKS THIS, LOOK!" argument he needs.
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Age of politicians is important. Look at Lauren Boebert, she is a grandma and she can’t tell the difference between her bedroom and an auditorium.
 
I don’t think Biden should run.

If he does run, I think he should get a different running mate. The combination of age and Harris’ low approval (with heavy doses of racism and misogyny on that front) will be the attack. While that’s shitty, it very well might work. And the risk of a Trump second term is too great.

Biden names a boring white guy VP running mate (Cooper?) and it eliminates most of the only attack Trump has that will stick.
 
ABCDeac said:
I don’t think Biden should run.

If he does run, I think he should get a different running mate. The combination of age and Harris’ low approval (with heavy doses of racism and misogyny on that front) will be the attack. While that’s shitty, it very well might work. And the risk of a Trump second term is too great.

Biden names a boring white guy VP running mate (Cooper?) and it eliminates most of the only attack Trump has that will stick.
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I don’t think pissing off African Americans and youth voters is gonna help Biden get a 2nd term.

Also you want a tarhole a heartbeat away from the White House? What’s next a Dukie on the Supreme Court.
 
TimmyClutch said:
I don’t think pissing off African Americans and youth voters is gonna help Biden get a 2nd term.

Also you want a tarhole a heartbeat away from the White House? What’s next a Dukie on the Supreme Court.
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There's already five dookies on the suspreme court.
 
TimmyClutch said:
I don’t think pissing off African Americans and youth voters is gonna help Biden get a 2nd term.

Also you want a tarhole a heartbeat away from the White House? What’s next a Dukie on the Supreme Court.
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Are the swing states more likely to be swung by low turnout from young people and African Americans, who will overwhelmingly vote for a democrat (and are likely to turnout regardless if Trump is the nominee) or by attracting middle class whites who have traditionally voted for democrats but have been shakier in recent elections, in part fueled by Trump/GOP race baiting and concern that if/when Biden strokes out, Harris becomes POTUS?

I honestly don’t know but I tend to think the odds favor swapping Cooper for Harris.

Again, I think Biden should not run. Think he should have declared early on that he was a one-termer. Would have given Harris more of the spotlight, and an ability to establish herself as a better potential POTUS.

I don’t love Cooper but seems like he’d win if they had pushed him. Won NC twice with Trump on the ticket and when Trump carried the state. Dems win NC, and election is over.
 
ABCDeac said:
Are the swing states more likely to be swung by low turnout from young people and African Americans, who will overwhelmingly vote for a democrat (and are likely to turnout regardless if Trump is the nominee) or by attracting middle class whites who have traditionally voted for democrats but have been shakier in recent elections, in part fueled by Trump/GOP race baiting and concern that if/when Biden strokes out, Harris becomes POTUS?

I honestly don’t know but I tend to think the odds favor swapping Cooper for Harris.

Again, I think Biden should not run. Think he should have declared early on that he was a one-termer. Would have given Harris more of the spotlight, and an ability to establish herself as a better potential POTUS.

I don’t love Cooper but seems like he’d win if they had pushed him. Won NC twice with Trump on the ticket and when Trump carried the state. Dems win NC, and election is over.
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So the Hilary strategy?
 
birdman said:
PA, MI, NV, GA and maybe AZ could be swung by courting young, urban, and minority voters…or failing to entice them to vote.
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So is your contention that running Biden + 60 year old Harris is significantly more attractive than Biden + 69 year old Cooper to young voters?

On the African American side, adding Harris to the ticket didn’t produce any statistically significant difference than Hillary’s run in 2016.

I thought it was established that Biden won by attracting a greater percentage of moderate whites in swing states than Hillary did. I’m not sure how Democrats can overtly attract young, urban minorities without risking moderate whites. Maybe turnout is huge regardless going forward or at least with Trump involved, but if so, the young and African American vote is known to largely favor Democrats by default.

I’m no Democrat anyway, so I wouldn’t much care except I think a second Trump term could be the end of the United States. And the Republicans that refuse to eliminate Trump (and Trumpism) as a possibility are almost equally dangerous. So I’ll gladly vote for Biden if he and Trump are the options, but I’d vote for almost anyone in the world if Trump was the other option.

I’d vote for a large chunk of the world over Biden though, assuming Trump isn’t there.
 
ABCDeac said:
So is your contention that running Biden + 60 year old Harris is significantly more attractive than Biden + 69 year old Cooper to young voters?

On the African American side, adding Harris to the ticket didn’t produce any statistically significant difference than Hillary’s run in 2016.

I thought it was established that Biden won by attracting a greater percentage of moderate whites in swing states than Hillary did. I’m not sure how Democrats can overtly attract young, urban minorities without risking moderate whites. Maybe turnout is huge regardless going forward or at least with Trump involved, but if so, the young and African American vote is known to largely favor Democrats by default.

I’m no Democrat anyway, so I wouldn’t much care except I think a second Trump term could be the end of the United States. And the Republicans that refuse to eliminate Trump (and Trumpism) as a possibility are almost equally dangerous. So I’ll gladly vote for Biden if he and Trump are the options, but I’d vote for almost anyone in the world if Trump was the other option.

I’d vote for a large chunk of the world over Biden though, assuming Trump isn’t there.
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Who established this? Can you provide a link?
 
ABCDeac said:
www.brookings.edu

New 2020 voter data: How Biden won, how Trump kept the race close, and what it tells us about the future | Brookings

What we now know about the future of presidential politics.
www.brookings.edu www.brookings.edu
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Thanks, but I don’t find that article or, if you click through, the original survey report, convincing that your strategy of getting another middle of the road White boomer man on the ticket is the right strategy. First of all, there is no spatial component, ie electoral college, of the Brookings article. For example, Biden won Georgia because of black women in Atlanta voting for him +90. Further, the Brookings summary totally skips over that Dems won under 35 voters by a wide margin (+12) and under 24 by a very wide margin (+23). If they are going to dump Kamala, they should get a younger minority to join, not a retread of another old white guy.
 
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