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Game Thread: ODU 12:00 noon 9/16 ESPN2

Just rewatched the highlights, and on the pick-6, Demond double-blocked a lineman instead of picking up the blitz, so he didn't touch the guy up the middle at all.

Also, the second touchdown throw to Morin and the TD to Banks were pretty solid throws from Mitch. If we can get him out of the pocket and moving to throw then he seems to be pretty successful. Just has to get comfortable.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Just rewatched the highlights, and on the pick-6, Demond double-blocked a lineman instead of picking up the blitz, so he didn't touch the guy up the middle at all.

Also, the second touchdown throw to Morin and the TD to Banks were pretty solid throws from Mitch. If we can get him out of the pocket and moving to throw then he seems to be pretty successful. Just has to get comfortable.
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The second TD to Morin was a thing of beauty, and our slowest mesh of the day. A perfect hang and bang. I'd love to see us run more slow mesh - I think we got away from it too much in the second half of last year and the beginning of this year.
 
Rafi said:
The second TD to Morin was a thing of beauty, and our slowest mesh of the day. A perfect hang and bang. I'd love to see us run more slow mesh - I think we got away from it too much in the second half of last year and the beginning of this year.
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I think it's probably three different things:

1. The line isn't as good as it has been, and the injury to Sharpe didnt help.
2. It requires Mitch to make more post-snap reads, which they are probably trying to ease him in to.
3. We are holding some of our playbook for conference play and the meat of our schedule.

Should get some insight on the third possibility on Saturday night.
 
Rafi said:
I'd love to see us run more slow mesh - I think we got away from it too much in the second half of last year and the beginning of this year.
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Yup - But remember the slow mesh was too-gimmicky for many of the offensive coordinators on ogboards.com
 
Rafi said:
The second TD to Morin was a thing of beauty, and our slowest mesh of the day. A perfect hang and bang. I'd love to see us run more slow mesh - I think we got away from it too much in the second half of last year and the beginning of this year.
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Fine that they haven't run it much the beginning of the year. It's useless when people aren't playing the run much which was why they didn't really break it out against Vandy. Elon I thought they should've a couple of times (and think they did?) but that was a game they just experimented with a ton of stuff.

Also useless when the OL isn't blocking well, but do think it's important to remind it was a look they saw earlier in the game which Morin pointed out.

"We actually had a similar look earlier in the game," Morin explained. "We knew we wanted to come back to it. They were starting to play the run a little more, great job to Justice (Ellison) and Demond (Claiborne) for setting the tone in the second half, once you start playing that run we're able to run by you."
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I think it's probably three different things:

1. The line isn't as good as it has been, and the injury to Sharpe didnt help.
2. It requires Mitch to make more post-snap reads, which they are probably trying to ease him in to.
3. We are holding some of our playbook for conference play and the meat of our schedule.

Should get some insight on the third possibility on Saturday night.
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I agree, though none of these explain why we went away from it the second half of last year.
 
CamLemons said:
Fine that they haven't run it much the beginning of the year. It's useless when people aren't playing the run much which was why they didn't really break it out against Vandy. Elon I thought they should've a couple of times (and think they did?) but that was a game they just experimented with a ton of stuff.

Also useless when the OL isn't blocking well, but do think it's important to remind it was a look they saw earlier in the game which Morin pointed out.

"We actually had a similar look earlier in the game," Morin explained. "We knew we wanted to come back to it. They were starting to play the run a little more, great job to Justice (Ellison) and Demond (Claiborne) for setting the tone in the second half, once you start playing that run we're able to run by you."
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Yeah, we don't really have to run for 150 yards every game to make it work for us. It just has to be successful enough where they can't sit back and know it's a throw. We had a pretty diverse play calling experience Saturday and as the game progressed, a combination of ODU's fatigue (which was obvious watching live), and the fact they had no idea what was coming on any given play, really played into our hands. I had some specific play call disagreements for sure, but overall it worked out well.

It was ugly, but it's a 60 minute game for a reason, and we just wore them down in the second half.
 
Another obvious point - if we just tackle James on one or both of the fumble/INT's then there's a good chance we win that game by a similar score to the Vandy one last week.

Defensive scores are fluky, as the 77% post game win expectancy indicates.
 
Rafi said:
I agree, though none of these explain why we went away from it the second half of last year.
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When the QB run is removed from the triad, the rest makes less sense as a play call. Just drop back or hand off.
 
thatguy2016 said:
I still maintain we're not going to get a 5-star QB to transfer into WF to help our QB situation. We are extremely unlikely to get a 4-star QB to transfer into WF to help our QB situation. And it is obvious that Clawson and company like continuity in the QB room - which would be upset if we took a transfer, potentially requiring us to rely on future transfers. Even if you get lucky once, if you continually need transfers at QB, eventually you probably get a Jurkovec or an Armstrong.

We've gotten some transfer help on the defensive side. Malik Mustapha and Jacob Roberts were not 4-star prospects, out of high school or as transfers.

Calling someone dense because you got buzzed and couldn't understand a simple sentence - cool!
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Jesus Christ dude, I'm done after this, but the definition of "or", is literally a conjunction used to link alternatives. Of course it's unlikely (though clearly not impossible, as I've had to show you) to get a 5 star - it's a lot more likely to get a 4 star, which is why I included them both as higher-talent options. You only focused on 1 class of 5 stars in your response. It took me 2 minutes on 247 to find 3 examples of 4/5 star prospects that would fit my statement, were Clawson to pursue that type of transfer.

And I can't believe I'm arguing 4th grade grammar on a message board, on a Monday morning, with (I assume) another adult.

And, and, yes, it seems we can all agree that this super-fun hypothetical is unlikely, based on how Clawson prefers continuity in his QB room. Which is fine, but I'd hope we will evaluate any/all interested higher-talent transfer options who could improve our football team, at all positions. Football IQ/quick decision making is probably just as important, if not more, than physical talent in our system.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Griffis obviously had a terrible day, but the line and RB blocking was pretty poor too in picking up any sort of late blitzes. I think it was mentioned, but on the pick 6, Demond almost completely whiffed on a chip block on the LB blitzing and did nothing to deter him from getting to Mitch. The ball shouldn't have been thrown, but the guy was shot out of a cannon. The play calling didn't do much to alleviate a guy who was already a bit low on confidence, especially in the red zone. The scoop and score should have been a run play (obviously he held the ball way too long trying to do something), and we put too much pressure on him imo.
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I think one of the constraints of our program is that our offensive line is not going to be a strength. We did stumble on some dudes (Haynes, Herron, Tom) but OL seems like maybe the most "get old, stay old" position group of all with guys who are comfortable enough to play well together. I think that's part of what drives running the offense we do.

I think Griffis QB play has not been complementary because he stands in the pocket indecisively for way too long. My uneducated take is that he lacks the confidence / anticipation to throw to his first read unless they are wide open, so he starts going through his progressions (probably prematurely), but at the same time he knows he's been told to not hold onto the ball too long, which results in some panicked throws to guys who aren't open. We got super fortunate ODU dropped so many possible picks or didn't come down with any of those batted balls.

Here's an example, two of Hartman's worst games where our offensive line was overmatched against superior defenses. Look how fast he gets the ball out on most of these plays, often to the first read. And then you can see that after about three seconds, he almost always starts stepping up in the pocket.



 
here's one example, i would call this a rare L from conor:

ke'shawn has a 1:1 in the slot and griffis is looking right at him and ke'shawn toasts his dude. i have no idea why griffis didn't pull the trigger, he even pumped a little bit.

and then if hypothetically the safety had bit down, you have morin 1:1 on the outside.

 
I said it several times during the game but in addition to what IAI said Griffis has to be better in how he uses the space in the pocket. Even if he isn’t rolling out or looking to scramble he can’t just stand statue still as he did Saturday. He looked ridiculous out there on a few plays like his feet were glued to the ground
 
The only player on the entire right side of the line who blocked anybody was Justice Ellison. The RT fell down, the RG whiffed, and the center was late getting over. The RG then had his back to the guy who has fallen down, gotten up, and is about to hit the QB. I mean it's just a simple stunt by the defense.

I think both things are true - that was definitely a terrible blocking sequence, but Mitch should've seen Williams for the easy pick-up even with all that going on.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
here's one example, i would call this a rare L from conor:

ke'shawn has a 1:1 in the slot and griffis is looking right at him and ke'shawn toasts his dude. i have no idea why griffis didn't pull the trigger, he even pumped a little bit.

and then if hypothetically the safety had bit down, you have morin 1:1 on the outside.

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I'm decently sure attempting to throw it to Key here was the Elon Pick six
 
CamLemons said:
I'm decently sure attempting to throw it to Key here was the Elon Pick six
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It was likely the same type of play call as the pick-6, based on the defense that Elon and ODU were playing (think that the MLB was deeper for Elon), but that's just a post-snap read that Mitch has to make. He's got plenty of room to make that throw.
 
Definitely need more "on schedule" quick throws. Much of that is on Griffis, but some is on coaching re: the longer developing routes we've discussed, at times. More slants & shallow crosses should help a lot, though Grififs' height could come into play more there. And even a straight go route to Grimes/Banks can be quick hitting, as we often see in the red zone.
 
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