Chat Thread LXIX - Nespresso Monsters

[Kory]

Boring Bullshit Discussion to end the chat thread

then stop posting about the food you ate like someone who just made their first twitter account in 2009

 

[06deacon]

kory no lik?

 

[Kory]

why u so mean sometimes 06

 

[TownieDeac]

The problem is the venues. They love LiveNation. They want to lock in deals for as long as the government will allow (I think 10 years is the max now). An artist could, in theory, do whatever they want to do... But they have to have a venue at which to play their music. Those are limited.

Partially true, but venue owners also get squeezed or even sold to LiveNation itself. I know you just think “if owners sell, it’s because they want to make money, we should applaud both them and the big company for their feats of business” which as ever just completely ignores the experience of patrons of the business itself.

So many good small-to-midsized venues closed during the pandemic. That’s where the great majority of bands get booked, not in big arenas or amphitheaters where, of course, it makes sense to partner with a big company to sell tickets and promote shows. But theaters and rooms were doing fine before Covid fucked everything up, and most places couldn’t keep up with rent without customers, much less this latest inflation wave that makes labor and lighting and equipment and everything more expensive.

I’ve been going to concerts for a long time, something like 50+ a year for a long stretch in my 20s, and still fairly often today. This idea that LiveNation is solving problems for yhe industry has been shot down by every other player in the game. It’s consolidating money in the hands of a few big venues and a few big acts that can sell shows out, and could have done so without LiveNation’s largesse.

 

[Kory]

i lik u until u mean for no reason

 

[06deacon]

#breakfasttalk is a chat thread classic

 

[BeachBumDeac]

A very interesting question, one which offers some interesting parallels with the visual arts, and I’d add a third dimension, which is does it suggest also higher quality?

what is quality?

 

[DeacsATS]

Lol no, Livenation made 16.7 Bn last year last time I checked, and all my favorite bands can’t afford to tour anymore.

It's not just Taylor Swift: Musicians struggle to afford touring

A pure love of touring and music isn't enough to pay the bills. But that's the trade-off industry realities are forcing artists to make.

www.businessinsider.com

What that article describes is this...

There are a limited number of venues (and dates). The only way for musicians to really make money these days is touring. So the ones that can do this profitably are taking up the dates at all of the venues. Other musicians that are less popular are struggling because a lot of smaller venues shut down (because they couldn't make it through COVID or were unprofitable anyway). The large venues have exclusive contracts with LiveNation (and, to a lesser extent, SeatGeek) and don't give a shit about musicians that can't fill seats.

I don't really see how LiveNation is the problem in this. If you read their statements in the article you posted, they are saying all the right things.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

That's not Ticketmaster's fault. It is more because the secondary ticket market has become wide open due to the internet (and specifically sites like StubHub and SeatGeek). The secondary market used to be REALLY shady and now it is less so. That's in large part due to the technology that Ticketmaster/LiveNation have developed to combat counterfeit tickets.

yeah sure but my point was that the "free market" argument windy is making is BS

 

[Mt. Olive]

#breakfasttalk is a chat thread classic

I appreciated it. Thanks. Also, do you think that we should make pickles accessible to everyone?

 

[DeacsATS]

y not play in some farmer's field 20 miles outside each city

Artists should give that a shot and see how profitable it is.

 

[Kory]

bro let's define Quality

 

[myDeaconmyhand]

pop psych basically abandons everything after Freud afaik

how in-depth did u study Freud

Subjective, probably a chapter for each class - popular(?) psychology? I don’t know where you get that notion, Psychology is usually taught sequentially from past to present, or by schools of theory. Fraud just most well known because he talked about funking and sunking

 

[Kory]

Artists should give that a shot and see how profitable it is.

well I thought we were talking about art

 

[DeacsATS]

a lot of the Ticketmaster venues are publicly owned (but I think LN owns a lot of their own venues??), so are they generating a lot of revenue for the community or should they be better looking out for their residents by working to make more affordable ticket options?

I don't know much about publicly owned venues or what their aims should be. That's an interesting question.

 

[Kory]

gotta imagine a condition for art's evaluation is resisting commodification

 

[BarcaDeac]

can't believe we'd have posters defending Ticketmaster and LiveNation yet here we are

#ctcontainsmultittudes

 

[Kory]

Subjective, probably a chapter for each class - popular(?) psychology? I don’t know where you get that notion, Psychology is usually taught sequentially from past to present, or by schools of theory. Fraud just most well known because he talked about funking and sunking

parapraxis!

 

[BeachBumDeac]

I don't know much about publicly owned venues or what their aims should be. That's an interesting question.

tell me more about it

 

[DeacsATS]

well I thought we were talking about art

Sure, but it would cost a shitload of money to put on a concert out on somebody's farm.

And, though not really germane to this discussion, the experience would probably suck.