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QB Going Forward

DownEastDeac said:
I know that competitive sports are big-boy stuff, but just not in me to boo Mitch or any other player who appears to be trying to the best of their ability, however limited that may be. Same if I went to a WFU musical in Scales and the lead was having trouble hitting her notes and the gal in the chorus appears to be the superior talent; ain't booing her and hollering for her replacement either. Again I get that sports are different from a singer in a play or even the nice kid at the drive-thru who is overwhelmed and screwed up my order, but I'm not booing them or cussing them out; that's on the coach/director/manager to either prepare them better or find a replacement. His mom & dad are at the games (dad is a high school coach) and they probably hear it more than Mitch from where they sit; must be hurtful for them as well. And before you say "if you think it's bad here, you should go to an NCSU game", etc. and "that's so little ol' WFU" I get that as well, just stating my feelings on the subject and that of other ticket holders around us that I've discussed this with; doesn't mean that we don't realize or care that our QB situation is in need of a serious upgrade.
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I’m not booing Mitch, but I really could not care less about him or his parents hearing “hurtful comments.” For one, I go to the games and what I hear falls almost entirely under the category of legitimate criticism of his play and abilities. When you start taking NIL money, which is a limited resource, that becomes totally fair.
 
Pilchard said:
That sounds great in theory, but when the QB screws up and there are boos from the home fans; everyone will assume the QB is getting booed and not the coach.

Even in the age of NIL, booing college kids is a bad look.
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I heard boos on Saturday, but they appeared to be directed at the play calling. At least when I was paying attention.
 
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Biff Ochocinco Tannen said:
What do you people think our record would be if Marucci had started every game ? Same, better, worse. I would think it would be the same AT BEST.
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I think we at best would have won one more game (GT). That game seem decided by offensive miscues more than any other (and only b/c we came back against ODU).
 
wakelaw13 said:
I’m not booing Mitch, but I really could not care less about him or his parents hearing “hurtful comments.” For one, I go to the games and what I hear falls almost entirely under the category of legitimate criticism of his play and abilities. When you start taking NIL money, which is a limited resource, that becomes totally fair.
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Interesting point and one I won't comment on pro or con, but for years getting a "free education" was seen by many as reason enough for a player to be booed; sign of the changing times I guess. But it also got me wondering what Mitch's NIL " earnings" might be: he was signed back in 2019 before NIL was even legal, I don't know that he has much commercial value to an advertiser or marketing firm(the original intent behind NIL), and I doubt Wake had to come up with much NIL $$ to keep him from transferring in the last year or two. His actual NIL "value" in the collegiate marketplace is most likely closer to zero than what Wake is paying him.
 
It has been reported on these boards - so you know it's totally accurate - that Mitch is getting significant NIL funds. I'd assume that's true of the starting quarterback at an ACC program. If it's not true, good.
 
TheAbster said:
I watched Clawson's presser yesterday. He made a very peculiar remark regarding NIL. He commented he was very worried about our NIL status last December but feels much better now. But then he went on to state he wasn't sure if NIL was in place if Sam would still be our QB. In fairness, he said he didnt know that answer. But for him to raise that as a possibility is quite interesting.
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Also found his comments on this to be very interestingly worded.
 
TheAbster said:
I watched Clawson's presser yesterday. He made a very peculiar remark regarding NIL. He commented he was very worried about our NIL status last December but feels much better now. But then he went on to state he wasn't sure if NIL was in place if Sam would still be our QB. In fairness, he said he didnt know that answer. But for him to raise that as a possibility is quite interesting.
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Thank you for mentioning this comment from the presser. It was a good question by Les, and it ties up a lot of loose ends regarding our roster and NIL that have been speculated about since the end of last season.

Clawson mentioned four players that he said we couldn't even have a conversation with that he would have wanted to bring back: Hartman, Bothroyd, Perry, and Whiteheart. And he rolled it off the tongue immediately.

To my knowledge, that has never been called out so clearly before.

And flies directly in the face of the "Hartman and staff were both ready to move on" narrative, which I know I've posted about previously made us look small time and seemed silly. Think this is the first time that Clawson admitted that we just weren't ready with NIL. We almost certainly would have thrown legit bids to these guys which is encouraging, and a few months later RTQ did with Carson/Jurgens/Gordon, whom he specifically mentioned that we were able to keep because of them.

He also in no way made it sound like Sam was definitely out on WF if we had a legit NIL offer, which is nice to hear considering so many posters were conviced that was a non-starter and tried to poo-poo the whole idea of even attempting to keep him. Also frustrating because if the timing had just been a bit earlier, he may be behind center right now.
 
Yeah. And Sam has said, recently, that he was going pro before he started getting offers that made him rethink that decision.
 
Yeah wasn't it the case that a year ago the NIL rules about who could give were "stricter" (in quotes because the rules were different despite virtually no enforcement of them) and a ton of our big money donors were therefore outside the NIL effort? Sam was always going pro, he just did it at Notre Dame. I assume Clawson's quotes refer to the fact that we didn't even have the ability to fund a big name even if we'd had donors who were up for it. Now that most of the NIL stuff has been ironed out it's at least possible.
 
Harpua said:
There’s just no way Mitch can start this week. The offense will remain completely inept. I cannot watch him simply dance around and get sacked again.
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He's starting, based on Clawson's comments. Unless he's just pulling a fast one on Elko, which would be cool.
 
DCDeac said:
Yeah wasn't it the case that a year ago the NIL rules about who could give were "stricter" (in quotes because the rules were different despite virtually no enforcement of them) and a ton of our big money donors were therefore outside the NIL effort? Sam was always going pro, he just did it at Notre Dame. I assume Clawson's quotes refer to the fact that we didn't even have the ability to fund a big name even if we'd had donors who were up for it. Now that most of the NIL stuff has been ironed out it's at least possible.
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I have no idea what we're able/willing to pay but Sam probably got seven figures from ND.
 
I wonder how the major ND boosters that paid for Sam's NIL are feeling right about now. I have no doubt that those sorts of transfer NIL deals will continue to happen, but it's got to piss off the donors when they so publicly buy a player and then don't get the outcome that they wanted.

For schools like Notre Dame, is the majority of the NIL money coming from a small-ish group of large donors or is it genuinely a grassroots fundraising from the whole fanbase? I've always assumed that it's still coming from mostly large donors, and that schools like ND just have dozens of those people whereas Wake has like five
 
deacon14 said:
I wonder how the major ND boosters that paid for Sam's NIL are feeling right about now. I have no doubt that those sorts of transfer NIL deals will continue to happen, but it's got to piss off the donors when they so publicly buy a player and then don't get the outcome that they wanted.

For schools like Notre Dame, is the majority of the NIL money coming from a small-ish group of large donors or is it genuinely a grassroots fundraising from the whole fanbase? I've always assumed that it's still coming from mostly large donors, and that schools like ND just have dozens of those people whereas Wake has like five
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I like to believe ND’s money comes from the same pool that pays the Catholic church’s legal bills.
 
They can't be too upset. Hartman was the best transfer QB available and they got him. If Notre Dame still isn't good enough, then that's a Notre Dame problem, not a Hartman one. Maybe they should train their own damn quarterback. Or maybe try putting 11 defenders on the field.
 
For a seven figure deal for one player like Sam, the money likely comes from a small number of sources, and perhaps just one source. A lot easier to be nimble with a limited pool of donors.

Fans and donors are largely unrealistic with their expectations, but would think that ND donors have to be OK with the money paid for Sam. No, ND is not going to the CFP, and no, Sam is not winning the Heisman, but ND football remained relevant for the season, and played in several high profile games. Given that without Sam, ND would have likely been forced to go with Tyler Buchner if Sam had not transferred, and Buchner has been an abject disaster for Bama; ND could have had a spectacularly bad season if Hartman had not transferred.

BTW, ND's top receiver is out for ND at Clemson this week. Under the 45.5 is the play.
 
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