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Official Debate Watching Thread

Skydog Deac said:
Ok, I buy your sincerity. But never have understood why Obama is held to a higher standard than Bush. Obama sans teleprompter is eloquent next to Curious George.
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Probably because there is such a stark contrast to him with and without it, to the point where the underlying knowledge is questioned when he doesn't have it. Bush simply sounded like a fool in both settings, which everyone recognized and made fun of.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Probably because there is such a stark contrast to him with and without it, to the point where the underlying knowledge is questioned when he doesn't have it. Bush simply sounded like a fool in both settings, which everyone recognized and made fun of.
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Yes. Bush could neither read nor think in public.
 
Once again, Obama has become a victim to the impossibly high expectations people have created for him in their minds. It's a pretty far fall from the pedestal that the Maddow's of the world have put him on. If anything, his campaign will benefit from the puncturing of the re-irrational, re-exuberance balloon with over a month left. Still plenty of football to be played.

The lesson? There is life---and there are facts---outside the MSNBC echo chamber. They need to lift the covers on their five-way Dutch oven and see what everyone else is seeing (and not seeing) in this Administration.
 
I disagree. Bush with the megaphone post-911 was an amazing speech. "The world hears you!" Bush is much better off the cuff.

I also have friends who have seen him speak in a corporate setting lately and they say he is awesome (even Dems). I think he is just terrible at delivery of prepared speeches.
 
avalon said:
When he was talking, agreed. When he was listening to Obama he looked weird as hell. It was like he was trying so hard to come up with the appropriate expression, but it ended up looking like a tense cross between adoration and hatred.
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They also need to reprogram the Mittbot to stop blinking so much. That was big time distracting.

It's painfully obvious that both guys hate each other's guts, but Obama made zero effort to disguise his complete contempt for Romney. Obama had a smirk on his face, looked down, and never looked up at Romney while he was speaking. Played directly into the narrative that Obama is arrogant and aloof. He needs to have a much better demeanor in the next two debates.
 
If I was to read 2 posts on the debate, one from each side of the aisle, which two posts in this thread should I read?
 
pinochadeac said:
I disagree. Bush with the megaphone post-911 was an amazing speech. "The world hears you!" Bush is much better off the cuff.

I also have friends who have seen him speak in a corporate setting lately and they say he is awesome (even Dems). I think he is just terrible at delivery of prepared speeches.
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It's all relative. Bush and Obama are obviously lightyears ahead of 99.5% of all people when it comes to public speaking, both prepared and off the cuff. But when you are talking about the position of the President of the United States, the microscope is unbelievably close. Both will of course have their moments and will come across great in certian settings, but the weaknesses are magnified intently on the biggest stages.

It's like saying Tony Romo is a bad QB. Of course he is an amazing QB compared to the vast majority of people, but his weaknesses are easy to spot when compared to Brady, Rodgers and Eli.
 
AnonymousDeac said:
If I was to read 2 posts on the debate, one from each side of the aisle, which two posts in this thread should I read?
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Arlington for Democrats. There isn't a conservative poster here that is serious enough all of the time.
 
bobknightfan said:
You are just as big of an idiot on the political board as you are on the sports board. It's easy to see how have accumulated all those red bars.
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I think it's a parody. Whoever it is knows that the tunnels leans left.
 
Obama had a terrible strategy last night and it's going to cost him points in the polls this week. He never attacked Romney on anything, and Romney is exactly the guy you want to put on the defensive. He's very tilt-able. Obama electing to play it safe on every issue ending up giving Romney a green light to go for stylish-sounding "truthiness" without a concern for getting smacked by an instant fact check by his opponent. He had a total free pass. I bet Romney can't believe he didn't have to deal with his tax returns debacle, the 47% comments, or even his work at Bain. Obama played a Grobe style fourth quarter-- ultra-conservative and hope the other team implodes. Romney's been doing nothing but prepping for these things for the last two years, and it showed. He sounded great and played aggressive. He also lied through his teeth repeatedly, so we'll see if that factors. It usually doesn't in these things.

What will be interesting to see is if, and how much, it matters. Romney had to have a win like this, but I'm not sure it can save him. I don't know if there's enough room for movement left in the electoral college. In any event, I think you can expect to see a completely different Obama is round two. He has to understand that attacking Romney is a much better strategy. This isn't a doddering McCain he's facing. Romney is a slick snake-oil sale man who will eat your lunch if you don't watch him. Obama's stomach must be rumbling this morning. Losing his comfortable cushion over the next seven days ought to make clear that he needs to engage and counter. It might end up doing Obama some good, by showing him that he can't simply run out the clock. He needs to be aggressive as well.
 
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ArlingtonDeac said:
Obama had a terrible strategy last night and it's going to cost him points in the polls this week. He never attacked Romney on anything, and Romney is exactly the guy you want to put on the defensive. He's very tilt-able. Obama electing to play it safe on every issue ending up giving Romney a green light to go for stylish-sounding "truthiness" without a concern for getting smacked by an instant fact check by his opponent. He had a total free pass. I bet Romney can't believe he didn't have to deal with his tax returns debacle, the 47% comments, or even his work at Bain. Obama played a Grobe style fourth quarter-- ultra-conservative and hope the other team implodes. Romney's been doing nothing but prepping for these things for the last two years, and it showed. He sounded great and played aggressive. He also lied through his teeth repeatedly, so we'll see if that factors. It usually doesn't in these things.

What will be interesting to see is if, and how much, it matters. Romney had to have a win like this, but I'm not sure it can save him. I don't know if there's enough room for movement left in the electoral college. In any event, I think you can expect to see a completely different Obama is round two. He has to understand that attacking Romney is a much better strategy. This isn't a doddering McCain he's facing. Romney is a slick snake-oil sale man who will eat your lunch if you don't watch him. Obama's stomach must be rumbling this morning. Losing his comfortable cushion over the next seven days ought to make clear that he needs to engage and counter. It might end up doing Obama some good, by showing him that he can't simply run out the clock. He needs to be aggressive as well.
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In this vein. will Obama have the balls to do:

"Which Mitt are you going to be tonight? In our last debate, he changed positions on taxes, teachers, Obamacare. Which Mitt are you tonight?"
 
RJKarl said:
Left of Mussolini, but not left of center.
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Do you seriously not believe this board, as a whole, leans strongly left? I would say that at least 80% of the posters on here are Dems.
 
deac29 said:
Do you seriously not believe this board, as a whole, leans strongly left? I would say that at least 80% of the posters on here are Dems.
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You need to get out more. There's no way this is true.
 
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